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Where do Oxbridge rejects go?

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Original post by jameslaparan
Okay I'll bite in.

Oxbridge rejects go to varied places depending on the programme. Here are the places where I think they'll likely end up. I'm assuming the departments are separated this way (10 on my table).

Law: LSE, UCL ... to a lesser extent Durham, Warwick, Bristol, King's
Medicine: Imperial, UCL .... to a lesser extent Edinburgh, King's
Engineering: Imperial ... to a lesser extent, UCL
Maths: Warwick, Imperial
Economics: LSE, Warwick, UCL
Business/Management/Finance: LSE, Warwick ... to a lesser extent Bath, Notts, Manchester
English/Lit.: UCL, Warwick, Durham
Physical Sciences: Imperial, UCL, Warwick, Durham
Social Sciences: LSE, UCL, Warwick, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews
Languages: UCL, Warwick, Durham, Edinburgh


Now, let's rank them based on the number with which they were mentioned.

LSE - 4
Imperial - 4
UCL - 8
Warwick - 8

Durham - 5
Edinburgh - 3

King's - 2
Bristol - 1
St Andrews - 1
Bath - 1
Manchester - 1
Notts - 1


So, based on the above table, I'd say the bulk of those Oxbridge rejects (tend to) go to UCL and Warwick. They are followed by Durham with 5 departments, then Imperial and LSE, each having 4 departments where Oxbridge rejects tend to go. Then you have Edinburgh with 3 departments and King's with 2. And, finally, one each at St Andrews, Bath, Manchester and Notts.

That is what will appear when you're trying to establish the places of where the Oxbridge rejects (tend to) go based on absolute numbers. Due to size, both UCL and Warwick would dominate as both are also multi-faculty universities like Oxbridge. However, when you're trying to rank these unis based on percentage, meaning, adjusted to the university's availability of department, Imperial and LSE would rank first and second. They both appear on areas where they have a department.


Haha... good first post.

What are you basing your departments on?

A more reliable way would be to look at UCAS points as Oxbridge rejects tend to still perform well in exams. So accordingly:

Law: Durham, LSE, KCL, UCL, Glasgow
Medicine: Cardiff, Edinburgh, UCL, Barts, Aberdeen
Engineering (using Mechanical): Imperial, Bristol, Strathclyde, Bath, UCL
Maths: Imperial, Durham, Warwick, LSE, St Andrews
Economics: LSE, Durham, Warwick, UCL, St Andrews
Business/Management: St Andrews, LSE, Strathclyde, Bath, KCL
English: Durham, UCL, Bristol, St Andrews, Exeter
Physical Sciences (using chemistry): Durham, Imperial, St Andrews, Edinburgh, UCL
Social Sciences (using geography): Durham, St Andrews, UCL, LSE, Bristol
Languages (using Spanish): Durham, St Andrews, Edinburgh, UCL, Exeter

Using your same methodology and ignoring universities which only appear once (likely to be anomalies), the universities are:

UCL: 8
Durham: 7
St Andrews: 7
LSE: 5
Imperial: 3
Edinburgh: 3
Bristol: 3
Warwick: 2
KCL: 2
Bath: 2
Exeter: 2
Strathclyde: 2

I don't think that the bulk of Oxbridge rejects go to Warwick unless for maybe Economics/Maths/Business. But then again, they're more likely to go to LSE for those subjects. And Imperial for the science/engineering subjects. I agree with you about UCL - it's probably the best multi-faculty university outside of Oxbridge. Durham's got a reputation for being an Oxbridge reject magnet for a reason - they've got the collegiate system, architecture and traditions which is another reason why people apply to Oxbridge. Nevertheless, Warwick is still a very good university (top 10). So....

LSE/Imperial - for specialist institutions.
UCL/Bristol/Edinburgh - for those wanting to live in a city.
Durham/St Andrews - for those wanting a small university environment & traditions.
Warwick/KCL - another option.
(edited 8 years ago)
You can't trust the Entry Tariff scores (UCAS) scores alone. Department reputation strength would be more reliable, and I based my list on it.
Take for example the department of Business/Management where your list includes: St Andrews, Strathclyde, Bath, KCL but not Warwick. Really, mate?
Warwick Business School has the best reputation after Oxbridge and LSE for anything related to business/management/finance programmes. That's precisely the reason why the top banks in the city are considering Warwick as a top target destination for recruitment along with Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial and UCL, yet it didn't appear of your list. Let's get real on here Strathclyde over Warwick for management or finance? Come on... I'd rather list Cass than Strathclyde, to be honest.

When you say social sciences, you refer them to Politics, Philosophy, Psychology and History, not just geography. Do Durham, St Andrews and Bristol have stronger departments on those areas than Warwick does? I doubt it. The PPE program of Warwick is the often regarded to be only bettered by Oxford, and along with LSE and UCL, is the next best choice. I doubt the top students who plan on doing PPE would rather end up at Durham or Bristol than Warwick.

Warwick's UCAS points decreased because they intentionally admitted a few "extra" students who missed their prediction, and, unlike their peers, they based their points solely on A-Levels. This will be corrected next year, hopefully.
Original post by jameslaparan
You can't trust the Entry Tariff scores (UCAS) scores alone. Department reputation strength would be more reliable, and I based my list on it.
Take for example the department of Business/Management where your list includes: St Andrews, Strathclyde, Bath, KCL but not Warwick. Really, mate?
Warwick Business School has the best reputation after Oxbridge and LSE for anything related to business/management/finance programmes. That's precisely the reason why the top banks in the city are considering Warwick as a top target destination for recruitment along with Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial and UCL, yet it didn't appear of your list. Let's get real on here Strathclyde over Warwick for management or finance? Come on... I'd rather list Cass than Strathclyde, to be honest.

When you say social sciences, you refer them to Politics, Philosophy, Psychology and History, not just geography. Do Durham, St Andrews and Bristol have stronger departments on those areas than Warwick does? I doubt it. The PPE program of Warwick is the often regarded to be only bettered by Oxford, and along with LSE and UCL, is the next best choice. I doubt the top students who plan on doing PPE would rather end up at Durham or Bristol than Warwick.

Warwick's UCAS points decreased because they intentionally admitted a few "extra" students who missed their prediction, and, unlike their peers, they based their points solely on A-Levels. This will be corrected next year, hopefully.


I have nothing against Warwick and think it's a great institution. I'm making my assumption based off the fact that Oxbridge rejects perform well in their exams despite not getting into Oxbridge. Why would department reputation be more reliable for where Oxbridge rejects go? UCAS points would give you a somewhat more reliable indicator of this. You basing off reputation is too subjective imo.

Yes, Warwick has a great reputation in business. I'll agree with that, I'm sure Warwick not making the top 5 in UCAS points is an anomaly but using objective indicators means I'm not including my own subjective opinion. Strathclyde is triple accredited, it's not as bad as you make it out to be.

Ok, I'll use it for the other social sciences.
Politics: St Andrews, LSE, UCL, Durham, Warwick
Philosophy: Durham, LSE, St Andrews, UCL, Bristol
Psychology: Bath, UCL, St Andrews, Edinburgh, Durham
History: Durham, St Andrews, UCL, Bristol, York

UCL, Durham, St Andrews - 4
LSE - 3
Bristol - 2
Warwick, Bath, Edinburgh, York - 1

I would say that the departments of those other universities are just as good at Warwick's. I'm sure Durham and Bristol attract their fair share of PPE applicants as well. Warwick has a great reputation in Maths/Economics/Business & subjects affiliated to those. I'm sure Oxbridge rejects go to Warwick, just for not as many subjects as you suggested in your initial post.

What is your source for Warwick only counting the UCAS points from A Levels? 11% of Warwick students have qualifications other than A Levels. Pretty sure any university with spaces in clearing would admit students who slightly missed their offers anyways.
(edited 8 years ago)
Sorry, I didn't get what you said. So, you mean to say the more qualified students wanting to major in management/finance/business would rather opt for Strathclyde than Warwick? Please clarify.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by jameslaparan
Sorry, I didn't get what you said. So, you mean to say the more qualified students wanting to major in management/finance/business would rather opt for Strathclyde than Warwick? Please clarify.


How would you measure how qualified an applicant is then? Other than using subjective measures.

And please answer my other questions.
Original post by HuggleyDuck
I'm a Cambridge reject and I'm going to Birmingham.


Why would you do that to yourself? Don't go near a place called Wolverhampton!
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(edited 7 years ago)
I’m an Oxford reject and I’m going to Durham :smile:

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