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ummm yes. ill assume from that post they are completely separate entities and therefore i need to be enlightened. i was under the impression oxford uni was made up of smaller individual colleges each one specialising in something different. is that not the case?
dantheman123
ummm yes. ill assume from that post they are completely separate entities and therefore i need to be enlightened. i was under the impression oxford uni was made up of smaller individual colleges each one specialising in something different. is that not the case?
oxford uni is made of (approximately) thirty colleges (i.e. keble, magdalene...) but theyre not "specialising". each of them offers most of oxford's courses. oxford brookes is an independent institution and has no links with oxford university
ok thanks, i didnt realise that.
presumably the course being referred to (about renault) is this one http://www.brookes.ac.uk/studying/courses/undergraduate/2007/motorsport_beng as it states "These companies support the course in many ways and are actively involved in shaping its content and style."
would that course be the one i want most over the auto course http://www.brookes.ac.uk/studying/courses/undergraduate/2007/automotive
thanks
dan
presumably the course being referred to (about renault) is this one http://www.brookes.ac.uk/studying/courses/undergraduate/2007/motorsport_beng as it states "These companies support the course in many ways and are actively involved in shaping its content and style."
would that course be the one i want most over the auto course http://www.brookes.ac.uk/studying/courses/undergraduate/2007/automotive
thanks
dan
when did i say that? if you are referring to my last post i meant out of the 2 oxford brookes courses which one is the better one to go for.
I was merely pointing out that I (aswell as probably many others here) believe that you would stand a much better chance going to imperial (and join the Formula Student group there if you wish) rather than doing a very specific degree in a university which hasnt got an excellent reputation
BJH1412
I was merely pointing out that I (aswell as probably many others here) believe that you would stand a much better chance going to imperial (and join the Formula Student group there if you wish) rather than doing a very specific degree in a university which hasnt got an excellent reputation
You are right, but an important point to note that it is NOT generally the top ranked universities which actually do the best in the F1 area. Imperial and Oxbirdge are of course highly ranked generally, but places like Loughborough, Bath and as stated here, Brookes, do very well in engineering - especially motorsport.
So no, you shouldn't go to a university that is poorly ranked and do a very specific degree, but you should be aware that being ranked high generally and being good in engineering (and F1) do not generally equate.
A point on formula student here too. Yes you should definately do it if you want to go into motorsport. In fact, some places (Lboro, for example) allow people from a variety of years (as in not only finalists, first years can join if accepted) to take part, which means it is VERY much easier to get a motorsport placement when you take your year in industry. I don't know what policy most teams have, and yes younger members generally take subordinate roles, but it is still very useful.
It's also a great thing to do anyway, but a lot of work.
Scuttle
You are right, but an important point to note that it is NOT generally the top ranked universities which actually do the best in the F1 area. Imperial and Oxbirdge are of course highly ranked generally, but places like Loughborough, Bath and as stated here, Brookes, do very well in engineering - especially motorsport.
So no, you shouldn't go to a university that is poorly ranked and do a very specific degree, but you should be aware that being ranked high generally and being good in engineering (and F1) do not generally equate.
So no, you shouldn't go to a university that is poorly ranked and do a very specific degree, but you should be aware that being ranked high generally and being good in engineering (and F1) do not generally equate.
It does with Imperial, atleast if the opinons of some of the top F1 engineers is anything to go by.
My brother's looking at getting into engineering in motorsport and it looks liek Hertfordshire's the place to go...they've got a graduate on every F1 team, and they're highly regarded for it:
http://perseus.herts.ac.uk/courses/aade/aem.cfm
they're also very good at formula student if you're into racing.
http://perseus.herts.ac.uk/courses/aade/aem.cfm
they're also very good at formula student if you're into racing.
what makes it better than imperial, loughborough, oxford brookes....
from what im aware its an ex polytechnic so teaching is crap, its formula student doesnt do that well and its facilities certainly arent that good. its my local uni and ive been there twice for other things, and it really doesnt look very advanced. ive even seen their formula student workshop, and my lounge is bigger.
am i misinformed?
from what im aware its an ex polytechnic so teaching is crap, its formula student doesnt do that well and its facilities certainly arent that good. its my local uni and ive been there twice for other things, and it really doesnt look very advanced. ive even seen their formula student workshop, and my lounge is bigger.
am i misinformed?
Well,
"The Automotive Engineering programmes were included in the most recent inspection of the quality of educational provision by the Quality Assurance Agency (QAA), and rated as 'excellent'. Positive features of the programmes include an effective approach to engineering applications, sound teaching and learning methods, good graduate employment, and friendly and approachable staff."
apparently.
As well as:
"We are one of only five universities to be recognised by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) for excellence in automotive education. The SMMT is the trade association representing the UK automotive industry, whose aim is to promote the competitiveness of the UK industry. A key concern for the future of the industry is the shortage of suitably qualified graduate engineers and for this reason SMMT's Engineering Committee has granted recognition to those engineering degree programmes which produce high quality graduates."
As for not doing very well in formula student I thought the only UK uni that did better than them was Oxford Brookes in 06? That's what I was told anyway.
You will have to apply to more than those three unis, there's never a garantee you'll get into those three that you like. I know my brother looked at Kingston briefly, since they're our local uni and some of the course is taught with Lotus or something?? They're never that high up the uni league tables though.
"The Automotive Engineering programmes were included in the most recent inspection of the quality of educational provision by the Quality Assurance Agency (QAA), and rated as 'excellent'. Positive features of the programmes include an effective approach to engineering applications, sound teaching and learning methods, good graduate employment, and friendly and approachable staff."
apparently.
As well as:
"We are one of only five universities to be recognised by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) for excellence in automotive education. The SMMT is the trade association representing the UK automotive industry, whose aim is to promote the competitiveness of the UK industry. A key concern for the future of the industry is the shortage of suitably qualified graduate engineers and for this reason SMMT's Engineering Committee has granted recognition to those engineering degree programmes which produce high quality graduates."
As for not doing very well in formula student I thought the only UK uni that did better than them was Oxford Brookes in 06? That's what I was told anyway.
You will have to apply to more than those three unis, there's never a garantee you'll get into those three that you like. I know my brother looked at Kingston briefly, since they're our local uni and some of the course is taught with Lotus or something?? They're never that high up the uni league tables though.
After reading these posts im beginning to think that my future isnt so rosy, I'm studying Motorsport Technology at Huddersfield University. Has anybody heard good things from Huddersfield?
It seems to be going really well and the placement scheme looks pretty impressive with a guy from last year going to Monza to work for Ferrari.
I know that Huddersfield doesnt have the reputation or prestige of somewhere like Loughborough or Imperial.
It seems to be going really well and the placement scheme looks pretty impressive with a guy from last year going to Monza to work for Ferrari.
I know that Huddersfield doesnt have the reputation or prestige of somewhere like Loughborough or Imperial.
At the end of the day every single Imperial engineer has atleast 3 A grade A Levels (includingMaths, Physics and usually F Maths), they're studying some of the hardest degrees in the country and present at the best engineering institution in Europe. Imperial is ranked 4th in the world for engineering. I think its fair to say that you will find your chances of getting into F1 much easier going to a top university.
Think about it, if your course requirements were CCC, you didnt need maths or physics and the uni isnt terribly difficult- why would Ferrari employ you over someone from Imperial/Oxbridge/Soton (obviously teamworking skills are required)?
You get out what you put in....... get a top degree, top grades then you get a top job. you cant expect to have average grades and a not as good degree and still be as good.
I find it funny that most polytechnic degree courses are so specific.
'Media Studies' (most journalists study english)
'Motorsport engineering' (most engineering study aero/mech or EEE'
'Business Information Systems' (most would study computer science)
at the end of the day they should never have been promoted to university status and its all about getting 50% into higher education.
Think about it, if your course requirements were CCC, you didnt need maths or physics and the uni isnt terribly difficult- why would Ferrari employ you over someone from Imperial/Oxbridge/Soton (obviously teamworking skills are required)?
You get out what you put in....... get a top degree, top grades then you get a top job. you cant expect to have average grades and a not as good degree and still be as good.
I find it funny that most polytechnic degree courses are so specific.
'Media Studies' (most journalists study english)
'Motorsport engineering' (most engineering study aero/mech or EEE'
'Business Information Systems' (most would study computer science)
at the end of the day they should never have been promoted to university status and its all about getting 50% into higher education.
the oxford brookes open day was on saturday. i wen talong and asked the question "if i want to get into F1 what is the best course to take?". the response was that mechanical, auto and motorsport engineering are basically the same course, but with different specific modules. mechanical may cover manufacture whereas auto might cover powertrain and motorsport may cover high performance powertrain. therefore if you want to go into formula 1 you might aswell e studying and analysing motorsport high performance parts instead of maybe a reliability/environment bias in the auto course or non car bias in mechanical. not to mention if motorsport is where my interests lie then i will enjoy that course more.
having seen their course structure, the superb quality of their facilities, the quality of the teaching staff and their industrial links and formula student teams i very much liked the place.
this has largely changed my plans and id just like to bounce them off you guys. 1st of all i dont like imperial anymore. despite the fact i havent visited it i get the feeling its very hard to get into, seems very impersonal, but above all is in london, where i live; and id rather live away from home.
so if imperial mechanical is out of the question, and having heard how much sense it made to be studying high performance parts, not normal road parts, surely motorsport engineering is the sensible option.
so having said that, and adding in i intend to do an m(eng) course not in london, can anyone recommend any others because having browsed google oxford brookes is the only decent one.
so if that is true what are the best automotive courses out there to have as backup courses? or pushing the boundaries a mechanical course that really does allow for automotive specialisation?
thanks
dan
having seen their course structure, the superb quality of their facilities, the quality of the teaching staff and their industrial links and formula student teams i very much liked the place.
this has largely changed my plans and id just like to bounce them off you guys. 1st of all i dont like imperial anymore. despite the fact i havent visited it i get the feeling its very hard to get into, seems very impersonal, but above all is in london, where i live; and id rather live away from home.
so if imperial mechanical is out of the question, and having heard how much sense it made to be studying high performance parts, not normal road parts, surely motorsport engineering is the sensible option.
so having said that, and adding in i intend to do an m(eng) course not in london, can anyone recommend any others because having browsed google oxford brookes is the only decent one.
so if that is true what are the best automotive courses out there to have as backup courses? or pushing the boundaries a mechanical course that really does allow for automotive specialisation?
thanks
dan
well thanks for the unjust criticism, its much appreciated.
what im saying is that imperial seems very oversubscribed, and seeming as the entry requirements have no indication on course quality, just demand for the course/uni it doesnt mean that the AAA requirement and fighting off other candidates will be worth it.
and i have no idea where you got that second bit from. im looking for an enjoyable high quality course that will equip me with the skills sought after by an F1 team. and if i wasnt willing to put the effort in do you really think id be doing research, asking all sources of info i can find for advise and guidance, and doing everything im doing to find the course thats right for me.
what im saying is that imperial seems very oversubscribed, and seeming as the entry requirements have no indication on course quality, just demand for the course/uni it doesnt mean that the AAA requirement and fighting off other candidates will be worth it.
and i have no idea where you got that second bit from. im looking for an enjoyable high quality course that will equip me with the skills sought after by an F1 team. and if i wasnt willing to put the effort in do you really think id be doing research, asking all sources of info i can find for advise and guidance, and doing everything im doing to find the course thats right for me.
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