Concern over the quality of Chinese exports

The U.A.E confirms these reports and is concerned about the quality of products being exported from China as well.

We won't exactly call it madness, but we are deeply concerned.

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Syria believes it is the responsibility of the government to ensure that any goods imported into the country by their companies are up to scratch. If you do not have the correct measures of quality control, you cannot expect another nation to have them for you. In essence it is not China's fault that some dodgy companies based there are making dodgy goods, it is your concern to protect your own citizens from these imports. And before you even go there, this isn't an adequate excuse to place blanket trade sanctions on imports from China, which the US is so badly itching to do.

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OP

6+6=12

Syria believes it is the responsibility of the government to ensure that any goods imported into the country by their companies are up to scratch. If you do not have the correct measures of quality control, you cannot expect another nation to have them for you. In essence it is not China's fault that some dodgy companies based there are making dodgy goods, it is your concern to protect your own citizens from these imports. And before you even go there, this isn't an adequate excuse to place blanket trade sanctions on imports from China, which the US is so badly itching to do.

That's absurd. Our citizens shouldn't have to worry about getting poisoned every time they brush their teeth or buy their kid a new toy. It is up to the Chinese government to ensure that the products they sell aren't going to kill the people who buy them. The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to "protect our citizens from these imports", the Chinese government should never have allowed them to be sold in the first place.

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A Y Z

I would like to point out that China doesn't exactly gives us those goods for free; we pay for them. It's their responsibility that they ensure consumer safety.

I don't think every household has means of checking the levels of lead in paint!

And you can just as easily buy from other companies, but you recognise the fact that China provides a much cheaper, and in general better good. The burden should be on the government to make sure that local suppliers check the goods they buy or that the government checks it themselves. Also it's not like as if domestic goods are impervious of faults....

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Apollo

That's absurd. Our citizens shouldn't have to worry about getting poisoned every time they brush their teeth or buy their kid a new toy. It is up to the Chinese government to ensure that the products they sell aren't going to kill the people who buy them. The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to "protect our citizens from these imports", the Chinese government should never have allowed them to be sold in the first place.

Yes, they shouldn't, YOU should ensure the goods coming in are safe. It's a two way thing, China tries enough to stop tese goods from being produced, but if they still exist, it is YOUR fault for allowing YOUR companies to buy them and sell them to YOUR citizens. the responsibility is on YOU to protect YOUR citizens.

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OP

6+6=12

Yes, they shouldn't, YOU should ensure the goods coming in are safe. It's a two way thing, China tries enough to stop tese goods from being produced, but if they still exist, it is YOUR fault for allowing YOUR companies to buy them and sell them to YOUR citizens. the responsibility is on YOU to protect YOUR citizens.

That's the whole problem, we aren't convinced that China is doing enough. There is simply no excuse for a nation like China to be consistantly spitting out products that have lead to hundreds, if not thousands of deaths. Obviously, something is wrong here. Whether it's a lack of interest or lack of resources on the part of the Chinese government, something must be done. This is happening on a consistent basis. If China wants to be a legitimate world power, they must take responsibility for the products coming out of their own nation. To claim otherwise is just silly.

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Apollo

That's the whole problem, we aren't convinced that China is doing enough. There is simply no excuse for a nation like China to be consistantly spitting out products that have lead to hundreds, if not thousands of deaths. Obviously, something is wrong here. Whether it's a lack of interest or lack of resources on the part of the Chinese government, something must be done. This is happening on a consistent basis. If China wants to be a legitimate world power, they must take responsibility for the products coming out of their own nation. To claim otherwise is just silly.

China has over a billion people, caught in one of the biggest economic booms ever known to man, makes it ever so slightly difficult to keep track of millions of products produced on a daily basis. I suppose you want them to just stop making these goods :rolleyes:

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Howard

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Apollo

That's absurd. Our citizens shouldn't have to worry about getting poisoned every time they brush their teeth or buy their kid a new toy. It is up to the Chinese government to ensure that the products they sell aren't going to kill the people who buy them. The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to "protect our citizens from these imports", the Chinese government should never have allowed them to be sold in the first place.

PNG wonders how it is that the US is able with apparent ease to impose draconian measures that deny its own citizens generic drugs made safely and cheaply in places such as Canada and yet state that they are unable to check Chinese imports in a similar manner. Might the US' all powerful drug industry lobbyists and their obvious clench over the FDA have anything to do with it? If only the US toothpaste lobby groups were stronger.

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OP

6+6=12

China has over a billion people, caught in one of the biggest economic booms ever known to man, makes it ever so slightly difficult to keep track of millions of products produced on a daily basis. I suppose you want them to just stop making these goods :rolleyes:

So hundreds of deaths is an acceptable price to pay for an economic boom? :rolleyes:

It's not too much to ask that China not ship poisonous toothpaste worldwide.

Howard

PNG wonders how it is that the US is able with apparent ease to impose draconian measures that deny its own citizens generic drugs made safely and cheaply in places such as Canada and yet state that they are unable to check Chinese imports in a similar manner. Might the US' all powerful drug industry lobbyists and their obvious clench over the FDA have anything to do with it? If only the US toothpaste lobby groups were stronger.

While this has very little to do with the topic at hand, we'll humor you. The counterfeit drug market is exploding worldwide, and the United States is committed to ensuring that our citizens do not become victims like so many others already have. Counterfeit drugs have been found in Canada and on Canadian websites, and as such it is unknown to what extent counterfeiting is being practiced.

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bikerx23

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The quality of goods imported into the US is its responsibility - if it has an issue with the quality of goods being imported it should set required standards of production, and also should note that it is the responsibility of the retailer to ensure that products adhere to standards - the claim that it is China's fault that the US has not ensured medical products are of the required standard is simply ludicrous.

China would also like to point out that a large number of products imported to the US from China are produced by US based corporations, hence it is their own manufacturing sector which is at fault.

China would like to thank the simple reasoned logic of nations such as Syria which seem capable of seeing clarity in this business where the US is not.

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bikerx23

The quality of goods imported into the US is its responsibility - if it has an issue with the quality of goods being imported it should set required standards of production, and also should note that it is the responsibility of the retailer to ensure that products adhere to standards - the claim that it is China's fault that the US has not ensured medical products are of the required standard is simply ludicrous.

China would also like to point out that a large number of products imported to the US from China are produced by US based corporations, hence it is their own manufacturing sector which is at fault.

China would like to thank the simple reasoned logic of nations such as Syria which seem capable of seeing clarity in this business where the US is not.

Don't be silly. It is obvious that our government cannot inspect every single Chinese cargo container that comes into our nation. Therefore, by continuing to import Chinese goods, our government is demonstrating its trust that the products we are paying for are safe for consumption/use. It is not America's job (nor the rest of the worlds, considering your toxic products have shown up everywhere from Panama to Japan) to make sure that your products are safe. The fact that China is willing to distribute its products tells the world that they are not going to cause harm to those who purchase them. Sadly, this is apparently not the case.

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bikerx23

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Apollo

Don't be silly. It is obvious that our government cannot inspect every single Chinese cargo container that comes into our nation. Therefore, by continuing to import Chinese goods, our government is demonstrating its trust that the products we are paying for are safe for consumption/use. It is not America's job (nor the rest of the worlds, considering your toxic products have shown up everywhere from Panama to Japan) to make sure that your products are safe. The fact that China is willing to distribute its products tells the world that they are not going to cause harm to those who purchase them. Sadly, this is apparently not the case.

Considering international consumer regulations this is simply not a realistoc approach you're taking - if there were a set of regulations set by, for example, the UN, then your concerns would be justified. But, with the knowledge that nations have different manufacturing standards to say that it is China's responsibility to adhere to the standards that the US set is ridiculous and reflective of the US's ridiculous feeling of self-importance.

Once again - why do you not feel it necessary to address that US corporations which have manufacturing plants in China also do not adhere to your required standards?

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bikerx23

Considering international consumer regulations this is simply not a realistoc approach you're taking - if there were a set of regulations set by, for example, the UN, then your concerns would be justified. But, with the knowledge that nations have different manufacturing standards to say that it is China's responsibility to adhere to the standards that the US set is ridiculous and reflective of the US's ridiculous feeling of self-importance.

Yes, we are being quite unreasonable in expecting that imported products won't kill our citizens, aren't we? :rofl:

Once again - why do you not feel it necessary to address that US corporations which have manufacturing plants in China also do not adhere to your required

We'll break it down for you:

Toxic toothpaste: Manufactured by Success Household Chemical Company and Goldcredit International Enterprises, both Chinese companies. Spokesmen have admitted putting diethylene glycol for years.

Cough Syrup: China sold other companies diethylene glycol under the label "TD glycerin" when companies ordered "glycerin". This confusion has lead to the deaths of nearly 400 kids in Panama.

Faulty tires: We recently were forced to recall 450,000 tires created by Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber Co because of missing safety features.

Lead toys: Chinese manufactures hired by American companies used non-approved paint, which has lead to the recall.

Foods: Caught, prepared and shipped by Chinese companies.

Counterfeit drugs: A huge industry in China.

Pet food: Even your own government has bellied up to this one. Chinese government officials have stated that two pet food companies "cheated" by adding a dangerous fake protein to the food.

See where I'm going here?

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Dionysus

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The Republic of Zimbabwe feels that the United States has failed to take appropriate measures to protect itself, and that these safety concerns cannot be considered the responsibility of the Chinese government. The Republic of Zimbabwe further feels that the United States has failed to address similar standards failings with regards to their plants in China.

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bikerx23

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Apollo

Yes, we are being quite unreasonable in expecting that imported products won't kill our citizens, aren't we? :rofl:

Unless you wish to withdraw that vicious slander China requires you to directly prove that Chinese products resulted in the death of american citizens.

We'll break it down for you:

Toxic toothpaste: Manufactured by Success Household Chemical Company and Goldcredit International Enterprises, both Chinese companies. Spokesmen have admitted putting diethylene glycol for years.

Cough Syrup: China sold other companies diethylene glycol under the label "TD glycerin" when companies ordered "glycerin". This confusion has lead to the deaths of nearly 400 kids in Panama.

Faulty tires: We recently were forced to recall 450,000 tires created by Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber Co because of missing safety features.

Lead toys: Chinese manufactures hired by American companies used non-approved paint, which has lead to the recall.

Foods: Caught, prepared and shipped by Chinese companies.

Counterfeit drugs: A huge industry in China.

Pet food: Even your own government has bellied up to this one. Chinese government officials have stated that two pet food companies "cheated" by adding a dangerous fake protein to the food.

See where I'm going here?

So you decide to selectively pracee the occurances in favour of your own nation? How typical.

If they United States believes that chemicals should not be included in products then they should treat them in the same way as others and prevent their being imported.

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Howard

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Apollo

While this has very little to do with the topic at hand, we'll humor you. The counterfeit drug market is exploding worldwide, and the United States is committed to ensuring that our citizens do not become victims like so many others already have. Counterfeit drugs have been found in Canada and on Canadian websites, and as such it is unknown to what extent counterfeiting is being practiced.

PNG finds it extremely difficult to believe that the US is putting the health and safety of its people before the interests of its own drug manufacturing cartels in this regard.

But, as you rightly say - this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. How is it that the US can so effectively control the imports of these so-called "counterfeit drugs" from Canada (even though they may be lifesaving) and yet looks to China to provide quality assurance on its behalf where other products are concerned?

Such audacity!

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OP

bikerx23

Unless you wish to withdraw that vicious slander China requires you to directly prove that Chinese products resulted in the death of american citizens.

Chinese tires, manufactured by the Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber Company were created without a "gum strip", which holds the treads together. Said gum strip costs 1 dollar per tire, but company officials recently admitted to leaving it out. At least two deaths in our country have been linked to these tires.

241 pets died as a result of your tainted pet food.

400/500 kids in Panama have died from your tainted toothpaste.

So you decide to selectively pracee the occurances in favour of your own nation? How typical.

These are facts.

If they United States believes that chemicals should not be included in products then they should treat them in the same way as others and prevent their being imported.

So, just so we're clear:

China has no problem with cancer causing chemicals being used a preservatives for apples?

China has no problem with frozen catfish laden with banned antibiotics?

China has no problem with mushrooms laced with deadly and illegal pesticide?

China has no problem with cough syrup and toothpaste containing anti-freeze ingredients and industrial solvents?

And how exactly are we supposed to "prevent" tainted pet food from being imported when your companies lie about the ingredients?

Does China claim not to have exported any products that have proven dangerous?

This isn't just an American concern, you should be worried about own people's health!

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Howard

PNG finds it extremely difficult to believe that the US is putting the health and safety of its people before the interests of its own drug manufacturing cartels in this regard.

Perhaps the PNG should stop being so cynical.

But, as you rightly say - this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. How is it that the US can so effectively control the imports of these so-called "counterfeit drugs" from Canada (even though they may be lifesaving) and yet looks to China to provide quality assurance on its behalf where other products are concerned?

Such audacity!

I'm not exactly sure why we're continuing to pursue this line of discussion, but as you wish...

Unfortunatley, we haven't been incredibly sucessful in controlling the import of Canadian drugs. Many of our states are openly breaking federal law and ignoring FDA warnings by buying Canadian drugs. The Democrats in Congress are pushing for a review of the ban. Who knows what the policy will be 5 or 10 years down the line?

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Thirucumaran