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Reply 80

crazyhelicopter

Completely off topic but...

Saffie

I love the hockey and will probably be captain of my (awful) womens team next yr

That's slander! I for one know you have a fantastic women's hockey team and a world class goalie! :wink:

Reply 81

Saffie

crazyhelicopter

Completely off topic but...

That's slander! I for one know you have a fantastic women's hockey team and a world class goalie! :wink:

I didnt mean it :puppyeyes:

Reply 82

crazyhelicopter

Saffie

I didnt mean it :puppyeyes:

That's ok i forgive u :smile:

Reply 83

gyrase

some of the reasons ppl come up with for choosing to do medicine are bull****, most of u do it from watchin british television and getting a biased view

Reply 84

Renal

gyrase

some of the reasons ppl come up with for choosing to do medicine are bull****, most of u do it from watchin british television and getting a biased view

Which of us?

Reply 85

m1chan

so wud u say dentistry gets paid masses more than doctors? i was just wondering

Reply 86

7589200

Consultants easily earn £100,000 ... by the age of 36 or so - thats easily enough - surgeons probably earn even more than that - i think its ridiculous actaully

Reply 87

m1chan

my frends dad has a private GP surgery, and govment 1 also, and dishes out 180K, but do dentists reach this sort of salary pretty early or do they have to establish themselves to get to somehting like that, which takes years n years?

Reply 88

InnocentEyes

gyrase

some of the reasons ppl come up with for choosing to do medicine are bull****, most of u do it from watchin british television and getting a biased view

but grey's anatomy is American TV :p:

I don't want to do medicine but if I did, it wouldn't be cause of British dramas!

Reply 89

Renal

m1chan

so wud u say dentistry gets paid masses more than doctors? i was just wondering

Yep. I understand that the government has some plans to **** up their careers too, but nothing as yet.

Reply 90

V1000

I remember reading about a senior NHS neurosurgeon in his 50s earning £80k a year . In the USA a neurosurgeon with the same amount of experience and seniority would very easily be a multimillionaire. Obviously doctors earn more in the USA in general where healthcare is all privately provided but still 80k for a doctor with that much specialist skill, seniority and training is absolutely appalling. In any other profession someone on a similar level would be earning a good six figures at least.

Reply 91

Yezi

callum9999

Well most people (at least partly) do it to help people. If they were in it for the money there are plenty of other careers they could do that pay even better.

But the perceived stability and the guarantee of the job is not as good as being a doctor. Helping people and the gratitude you get come as one of the "perks" of being a doctor, but not the main or sole reason of going into medicine in the first place.

Sorry for being so cynical, but there are so many people who want to be doctors and some of them are definitely not the caring, kind people who like to help others (in fact some of them don't even LIKE helping others and can be very unsympathetic), and they are purely in it for the money, or that they are being forced into it because their parents want them to for the MONEY and STATUS.

Reply 92

Aisha_s

Renal

Yep. I understand that the government has some plans to **** up their careers too, but nothing as yet.

yeh unfortunately the government are making it very hard for dentists to continue on the NHS...so alot are having to go private..

Reply 93

Renal

Aisha_s

yeh unfortunately the government are making it very hard for dentists to continue on the NHS...so alot are having to go private..

I thought they were trying to send junior dentists into a Foundation School type system instead of VT.

Reply 94

Aisha_s

Renal

I thought they were trying to send junior dentists into a Foundation School type system instead of VT.

i can't say i have heard of that...do you know anything more about it?

Reply 95

ayesha2210

GP's get paid way more than Hospital doctors who do twice the work.

Reply 96

Renal

ayesha2210

GP's get paid way more than Hospital doctors who do twice the work.

No they don't. Grade for grade there's no huge disparity in pay at least.

Reply 97

Renal

Aisha_s

i can't say i have heard of that...do you know anything more about it?

Dunno details, only heard stories of impending doom in the bar.

Reply 98

ayesha2210

Renal

No they don't. Grade for grade there's no huge disparity in pay at least.

I know 4 GP's (I suppose that isn't a lot) and their maximum work hours is 21 hours a week. My dad works 8 - 6 every weekday. And of the 4 GP's the least earning one gets double what my dad earns

But I suppose that is a small number of people to make a judgement against.

Reply 99

Touche

Vazzyb

Consultants easily earn £100,000 ... by the age of 36 or so - thats easily enough - surgeons probably earn even more than that - i think its ridiculous actaully

Easy eh?

Say a doctor went to med school aged 18. Graduated with MBBS BSc aged 24. Did 2 foundation years so they're 26. Got into their chosen core training program right away, lets say this was emergency medicine... they pass all their exams right away so they're aged 29 by the time they're done with core training. They get into their higher specialist training rotation right away, and pass their exit exams right away too so they're 32 by the time they're eligable for a consultant job. Lets say they get their chosen consultant job right away (luckily the chap who used to do that particular job was just retiring!)... based on the latest consultant pay scale by the time they're 36 they're on £80,298 pre-tax.

Its not even realistic to assume one could get into med school, get into a core training program, pass exams, get a higher training program, pass more exams and get a consultant job all without a single hickup. The speciality I chose for my example (emergency medicine) has the shortest training program around at the moment too (other than general practice)...

So the assertion that consultants are on £100k easily by 36 is unrealistic.

You could argue private work makes up the extra £20k... private practice is not that easy to establish. The majory of specialities also have limited scope for private practice.

Some of the comments in this thread show a real lack of appreciation for reality. £345k for GP partners?! Not from their medical work!