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Thoughts on the quality of Scottish Universities

Original post by DecoyFerret
Well, Scotland is pretty much a third world country leached to England and that comes with budged friendly public education system :biggrin: They need the extra year to learn how to read before the actual degree starts :biggrin:

Remind us again which country in the UK has the most Ancient Universities? (Establishments founded before 1600ad). Seem to recollect we had 4 of them by 1578 before England even got their 3rd in 1832
Original post by 3Engineer141592
Remind us again which country in the UK has the most Ancient Universities? (Establishments founded before 1600ad). Seem to recollect we had 4 of them by 1578 before England even got their 3rd in 1832

Yes, the medieval schools of theology are are the backbone of modern education. How did the poor Americans even get their space program without a single zealots ran medieval dump of no consequence?
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Original post by DecoyFerret
Yes, the medieval schools of theology are are the backbone of modern education. How did the poor Americans even get their space program without a single zealots ran medieval dump of no consequence?

Of course because Medicine and Natural Philosophy (the type including Mathematics and Physics) weren’t degrees back then. It was after all these great Ancient Scottish universities which taught the scientific greats like Kelvin, Maclaurin, Baird, Napier, Rutherford, Watt and Clerk-Maxwell. Whose discoveries from their Scottish Uni education helped (as you say) the US space program

Assume you don’t do an essay based subject at uni with such a fantastic composition of your argument?
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Original post by 3Engineer141592
Of course because Medicine and Natural Philosophy (the type including Mathematics and Physics) weren’t degrees back then.

Assume you don’t do an essay based subject at uni with such a fantastic composition of your argument?

How an unrelated old building translate into the overall standard of education?
It does not.
Original post by DecoyFerret
How an unrelated old building translate into the overall standard of education?
It does not.

I agree, but unfortunately the idea of “prestigiousness” attracts high calibre students and lecturers alike. That’s where the history becomes important, like a magnet so to speak.

Put it this way, which would you rather choose, Loughborough or Exeter? Location aside, probably Exeter (more prestigious) yet ranking better at Loughborough. It’s age and history that attracts calibre and in return academic challenge.

In same way. If you were lecturer, if same research funding, would you rather Cambridge or Warwick (location aside) ?
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Original post by 3Engineer141592
I agree, but unfortunately the idea of “prestigiousness” attracts high calibre students and lecturers alike. That’s where the history becomes important, like a magnet so to speak.

Put it this way, which would you rather choose, Loughborough or Exeter? Location aside, probably Exeter (more prestigious) yet ranking better at Loughborough. It’s age and history that attracts calibre and in return academic challenge.

In same way. If you were lecturer, if same research funding, would you rather Cambridge or Warwick (location aside) ?

Most Unis are the same, there are very few known names that suppose to be better but apart of that it does not matter. Especially when it comes to professions. CS degree from DeMonfort usually comes with a job. CS degree from Cambridge usually comes with nothing. All the perceived prestigious disappear during the Tech element of job interview where you lose to a guy without a degree. This happens all the time.
Being taught by academics might have some value if you go after a degree in Neuroscience or Mathematics, or any other research heavy domain. But, if you go after something technical and want a decent job, you want to be taught exclusively by people from the industry because when it comes to the actual job/interview your pure math modules wont help much.
Original post by DecoyFerret
Most Unis are the same, there are very few known names that suppose to be better but apart of that it does not matter. Especially when it comes to professions. CS degree from DeMonfort usually comes with a job. CS degree from Cambridge usually comes with nothing. All the perceived prestigious disappear during the Tech element of job interview where you lose to a guy without a degree. This happens all the time.
Being taught by academics might have some value if you go after a degree in Neuroscience or Mathematics, or any other research heavy domain. But, if you go after something technical and want a decent job, you want to be taught exclusively by people from the industry because when it comes to the actual job/interview your pure math modules wont help much.

I think you’re right in what you say, and the evidence is all there to back it up. But might a DeMontfort CS student get a job over a Cambridge CS student because I would guess the DeMontfort one may have better communication/social/widerlife skills.

Something I’ve realised (which sort of aligns with what you’re saying) is that once you have your degree, employers don’t really care about it so long as you passed and are a good people person. I would imagine a Cambridge CS student would have their head in a book for most of their life without those social skills, but a DeMontfort student probably wouldn’t, thus making them a bit more personable and better at interviews/dealing with clients etc and hence getting a job
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Original post by 3Engineer141592
I think you’re right in what you say, and the evidence is all there to back it up. But might a DeMontfort CS student get a job over a Cambridge CS student because I would guess the DeMontfort one may have better communication/social/widerlife skills.

Something I’ve realised (which sort of aligns with what you’re saying) is that once you have your degree, employers don’t really care about it so long as you passed and are a good people person. I would imagine a Cambridge CS student would have their head in a book for most of their life without those social skills, but a DeMontfort student probably wouldn’t, thus making them a bit more personable and better at interviews/dealing with clients etc and hence getting a job

I work as a Security Engineer for Amazon UK. Here, the only person who sees your CV and thus the name of your University is a junior HR person sifting though few hundred CV with the only purpose of figuring out if you are under 30 and if yes, they will try to find out if you have some sort of technical/CS degree. Then they click yes. This is as far as your degree will ever mater in your entire life. The next stage is done by a senior engineer that wont get access to your CV, he does not even know that you are coming, someone just schedules a session with you. All he is trying to find out is how much time you might need to catch up and become a productive member of his team. Pretty much none of the stuff he cares about is being taught at Oxbridge.

I assume that for Law, Medicine, Accountancy it likely works differently, everything I said is CS related only...

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