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Getting a mortgage at 19

Hello all!

I'm 19 and have enough money for a down-payment on a house. I am looking to buy to let.

I am looking to buy a property in the £180-220k range.

I am playing on buying this property in London where renting prospects are high. I am planning on paying off the mortgage with the rent payments. (My father owns other properties and also pays off the mortgages for them like this, and profits what's left over).

My father is self-employed. I am planning on becoming an 'employee' of his company where he 'pays' me a high wage. Let's say £40k/annum. So I can show the bank I could pay off the mortgage if for whatever reason I cannot rent the property out. I am planning on showing them 'pay-slips' if required as evidence.

My father says it can work out. Could someone please suggest some problems in this line of thinking? Reasons why the bank would still refuse a mortgage?

I am trying to make my plan robust before going forward.

EDIT: I'm currently a full time student. I'm not sure if this will affect anything since I'll be telling the bank that I'm a full time employee. Not sure if they can check that I am a full time student or if I need to wait till graduation for this to work.

Thanks!
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Find an experienced broker that specialises in buy to let finance.
A lot of mortgage companies won't offer buy to let mortgages to under 21's.
Buy to let finance typically requires a minimum 20% deposit and only cover up to 90% of the property price at valuation.

Have you included all the most forseeable costs into your calculations?
Stamp duty, legal fees and those of other essential property professionals.

Be very wary about making statements about your annual income or monthly outgoings that are factually inaccurate.
Remind your father that the payslips that you have to share with a bank or other mortgage provider could easily find their way to the Inland Revenue for use as part of a tax investigation into either one of you.
The last thing that you or he needs is to be the subject of a investigation into tax evasion, fraud or some other crime that carries a stiff imprisonment sentence if convicted.
Good luck!
Original post by scythe2003
Hello all!

I'm 19 and have enough money for a down-payment on a house. I am looking to buy to let.

I am looking to buy a property in the £180-220k range.

I am playing on buying this property in London where renting prospects are high. I am planning on paying off the mortgage with the rent payments. (My father owns other properties and also pays off the mortgages for them like this, and profits what's left over).

My father is self-employed. I am planning on becoming an 'employee' of his company where he 'pays' me a high wage. Let's say £40k/annum. So I can show the bank I could pay off the mortgage if for whatever reason I cannot rent the property out. I am planning on showing them 'pay-slips' if required as evidence.

My father says it can work out. Could someone please suggest some problems in this line of thinking? Reasons why the bank would still refuse a mortgage?

I am trying to make my plan robust before going forward.

EDIT: I'm currently a full time student. I'm not sure if this will affect anything since I'll be telling the bank that I'm a full time employee. Not sure if they can check that I am a full time student or if I need to wait till graduation for this to work.

Thanks!

You'll have to show bank statements. How will you explain SFE loans? They go through your acconunts in great detail too querying payments so beware. I'd wait until you are graduated, over 21 and in a full-time real job.
Original post by londonmyst
Find an experienced broker that specialises in buy to let finance.
A lot of mortgage companies won't offer buy to let mortgages to under 21's.
Buy to let finance typically requires a minimum 20% deposit and only cover up to 90% of the property price at valuation.

Have you included all the most forseeable costs into your calculations?
Stamp duty, legal fees and those of other essential property professionals.

Be very wary about making statements about your annual income or monthly outgoings that are factually inaccurate.
Remind your father that the payslips that you have to share with a bank or other mortgage provider could easily find their way to the Inland Revenue for use as part of a tax investigation into either one of you.
The last thing that you or he needs is to be the subject of a investigation into tax evasion, fraud or some other crime that carries a stiff imprisonment sentence if convicted.
Good luck!


Thank you!

Yes, I've included the stamp duties legal costs etc in the calculations.

I was just unsure if the bank would give a mortgage at such a young age. Would be a shame since I'd love to get onto the property ladder asap.

As for the legal implications- I'll certainly keep that in mind, thanks!
Original post by Muttley79
You'll have to show bank statements. How will you explain SFE loans? They go through your acconunts in great detail too querying payments so beware. I'd wait until you are graduated, over 21 and in a full-time real job.

Can't I have the SFE loans come into a separate account? Or stop the loans altogether the year I'm getting the mortgage (let's say 2022-23) and pay the relevant expenses myself that year?
You will need bank statements going back several months to show you are in steady employment, which you don't have. The bank may well be sceptical of a 19 year old earning £40k (and rightly so).

It sounds like you are planning on lying to a bank to obtain a mortgage. This is a bad idea for many reasons.
Original post by chazwomaq
You will need bank statements going back several months to show you are in steady employment, which you don't have. The bank may well be sceptical of a 19 year old earning £40k (and rightly so).

It sounds like you are planning on lying to a bank to obtain a mortgage. This is a bad idea for many reasons.

If my father starts paying me 'wages' over the next few months (let's say, 6 months?) at 40k/yr should I be fine then?

Well, I know I can pay off the mortgage. The rent money definitely will cover it and if there are periods where the tenant is being difficult I do have emergency funds and I will save profits from previous rent incomes for this scenario.
Original post by scythe2003
Can't I have the SFE loans come into a separate account? Or stop the loans altogether the year I'm getting the mortgage (let's say 2022-23) and pay the relevant expenses myself that year?


You have to show all accounts ... you'd be paying tax on 40k and NI. This sounds foolish in the extreme.
Original post by Muttley79
You have to show all accounts ... you'd be paying tax on 40k and NI. This sounds foolish in the extreme.


What if I simply don't get a student loan and pay the expenses myself for a year
Original post by scythe2003
Thank you!

Yes, I've included the stamp duties legal costs etc in the calculations.

I was just unsure if the bank would give a mortgage at such a young age. Would be a shame since I'd love to get onto the property ladder asap.

As for the legal implications- I'll certainly keep that in mind, thanks!

You're welcome. :smile:
Have you considered buying in areas outside of London too?

I'm planning to buy a property within the next 13 months.
Can't stretch as far London property prices.
I'm buying alone and none of my jobs are full time or on permanent employee contracts.
Original post by londonmyst
You're welcome. :smile:
Have you considered buying in areas outside of London too?

I'm planning to buy a property within the next 13 months.
Can't stretch as far London property prices.
I'm buying alone and none of my jobs are full time or on permanent employee contracts.

I had a look outside london too, mainly Aberdeen where I go uni.

But I reckoned that London has much better renting opportunities :smile:

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? Saving up for a house can get quite exciting, can't it :tongue:
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Original post by scythe2003
How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm 27.
I'd wager that the bank would do enhanced diligence if a 19 rocks up with a £40k salary and is "employed" by a family member. From their POV it's going to set off every money laundering alarm bell imaginable; it's going to look like you're fronting on behalf of someone else at the very least.

The following question is from 2016, but the gist is the same, (although lenders may be even more averse now):

Guardian > At 20, am I too young to invest in buy-to-let property?

Fundamentally I agree that getting on the property ladder as early as possible is a good idea. But if you're having to cook the books to get started, you're not ready.
Original post by londonmyst
I'm 27.

Great stuff, houses might take a tumble with interest rate hikes, keep yourself updated with the Financial Times :wink:
Original post by Admit-One
I'd wager that the bank would do enhanced diligence if a 19 rocks up with a £40k salary and is "employed" by a family member. From their POV it's going to set off every money laundering alarm bell imaginable; it's going to look like you're fronting on behalf of someone else at the very least.

The following question is from 2016, but the gist is the same, (although lenders may be even more averse now):

Guardian > At 20, am I too young to invest in buy-to-let property?

Fundamentally I agree that getting on the property ladder as early as possible is a good idea. But if you're having to cook the books to get started, you're not ready.


Thanks for your reply and your link to the article. I had a read through it and some things were certainly an eye opener (especially changes to how rent is taxed!)

Regarding my 'employer' being a family member, my dad is the owner and managing director of the company. If someone below him, say one of his managers, employ me, would this concern still stand? (So the 'boss' of my 'boss' would be my dad).

Would they search up the company and look up the names registered at the company house?
Original post by scythe2003
Great stuff, houses might take a tumble with interest rate hikes, keep yourself updated with the Financial Times :wink:

PRSOM.

I'm expecting a property crash before the end of 2023.
Interest rate rises are the icing on my cake, I'm not relying on mortgage financing.
Original post by londonmyst
I'm expecting a property crash before the end of 2023.


Damn I hope not!

Where I used to live, prices went up by about $150,000 on an average house in 2 years. Obviously prices will not continue to rise at such a rate but I just bought my first house in a very popular area so I'm hoping the location will be secure against any kind of property crash. :crossedf:
Original post by scythe2003
What if I simply don't get a student loan and pay the expenses myself for a year

This won't work you know ... my son bought a house last year so I do know how much more scrutiny there is due to money laundering rules.

Do you want to end up with a criminal record?
Original post by scythe2003
Thanks for your reply and your link to the article. I had a read through it and some things were certainly an eye opener (especially changes to how rent is taxed!)

Regarding my 'employer' being a family member, my dad is the owner and managing director of the company. If someone below him, say one of his managers, employ me, would this concern still stand? (So the 'boss' of my 'boss' would be my dad).

Would they search up the company and look up the names registered at the company house?

Given your age and declared income, they honestly might. (caveat: I've never been involved with mortgage underwriting myself, but spent many years in credit & risk functions where the principles are the same).

My best advice would be to speak to a financial advisor about what you want to do. Be honest with them and they will steer you right. They may even know lenders that are more open to younger borrowers.
Original post by Muttley79
This won't work you know ... my son bought a house last year so I do know how much more scrutiny there is due to money laundering rules.

Do you want to end up with a criminal record?


I know there's a lot of scrutiny, my dad buys property under the company name (I believe the rent money becomes exempt from tax this way?) and he moans a lot about it. I never knew it's as strict as you make it out to be. I'll talk to the company accountant and discuss my options.

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