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King's 22nd in the world ranking but 11th in the domestic ranking?

http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/

In the world ranking above, King's placed 22nd. (yay!)

However, why is it that on the times uk ranking 2009, it only placed 11th?

Usually, if a university has such a good international reputation, shouldn't it rank among at least the top 10 within its own country?

I know that every ranking has its own errors, but still...

the qs world ranking seemed to me like the most credible world ranking (or is there a better one?), even though i couldn't agree with lse being so low on the table.

personal: at the moment, i am having to choose between king's and warwick for law, as i got offers from both. to me, international reputation is just as important as uk reputation, since im a foreigner and intends to go back to my home country after my studies. i know that this issue of ranking should not be the most important part when making a uni decision, but along with other stuff, i think it is still quite significant.

Reply 1

Ascient

15

I'm not really sure how much can be said on this topic, really. The College's standing is higher internationally than it is nationally, and the only reason I can think of for that would be the fact that it's in London (and a part of the University of London) :erm:

Reply 2

pcok

14

It seems King's is thought higher of internationally than nationally, which would be good for you. It is due to it being part of the UoL. We are fourth for law though, in the Times and Guardian rankings, and I think that the law department here is great - we have fantastic lecturers. Maybe you should base your decision on whether you would rather live in a lively, bustling city or a campus university in the middle of nowhere. They are two very different things, both with their advantages and disadvantages, but people usually have a distinct preference. Because, to be honest, if you went to King's or Warwick, your job prospects would be very good. Personally, I love being in London - it's always busy, the nightlife is fantastic, the transport system is fantastic, you can do just about anything here, but many people hate how busy it is.

Reply 3

easy_lemon

Ascient

I'm not really sure how much can be said on this topic, really. The College's standing is higher internationally than it is nationally, and the only reason I can think of for that would be the fact that it's in London (and a part of the University of London) :erm:

I doubt this is it...UCL is also part of the UoL but we're 7th in the world....
I think the word 'Kings' does seem to resonate more with internationals..it just sounds good....ratings are odd anyway....

Reply 4

Tut.exe

14

lol, they dont just assess by where the uni is, by its name, and what its under surely... because if it was, then the ranking would just be a big(ger) fat(ter) joke. i think its becase kings have good ties with global industries.

Reply 5

Phantom_X

15

according to wikipedia, kings is 5th domestically....

Reply 6

aforalice

10

Phantom_X

according to wikipedia, kings is 5th domestically....

According to QS world ranking it's 5th best in the UK and 22nd in the world, according the times rankings it's 11th best in the UK. That difference is what the thread is about...

Reply 7

knowsley1961

King's College London has a great reputation because of the medical research it conducts and is strong in Humanities. As to the QS Rankings they are meaningless and widely exaggerate the importance of UK unis for obvious reasons...

e.g. That Godless institution on Gower Street ranks above M.I.T.

Reply 8

username132605

From what i've ascertained from 3 months of law, is that it really pays to be london if your doing a law degree, the opportunity to make connections and see the legal world in action are truely priceless things. Moreover, Kings is 4th in the UK, only behind oxbridge and lse. Compelling arguments...

Reply 9

jy9626

OP

14

easy_lemon

I doubt this is it...UCL is also part of the UoL but we're 7th in the world....
I think the word 'Kings' does seem to resonate more with internationals..it just sounds good....ratings are odd anyway....

Yeah i so agree with that. I told my relatives and other korean people about king's and warwick, and they all perceive king's as a really good uni without checking out enough info about it. ('king's' sounds prestigious i guess) Most people haven't even heard of warwick, even though within the uk, it's considered better than ucl at the moment. My teachers and peers think warwick is a better uni, but my family wants me to go to king's. Professor Simon Gardner at Oxford had previously stated that King's is possibly the best uni for LLB and that he would like to recruit more of king's law people. That really convinced me, as I want to go to oxford for my postgraduate studies. However, Im still not sure which one to pick.

Reply 10

easy_lemon

jy9626

Yeah i so agree with that. I told my relatives and other korean people about king's and warwick, and they all perceive king's as a really good uni without checking out enough info about it. ('king's' sounds prestigious i guess) Most people haven't even heard of warwick, even though within the uk, it's considered better than ucl at the moment. My teachers and peers think warwick is a better uni, but my family wants me to go to king's. Professor Simon Gardner at Oxford had previously stated that King's is possibly the best uni for LLB and that he would like to recruit more of king's law people. That really convinced me, as I want to go to oxford for my postgraduate studies. However, Im still not sure which one to pick.

The funny thing is...UCL actually steals a lot of people from King's anyway :biggrin:

so you have the best of both worlds; actually my property professors are both from King's -new this year.

I think, concerning law, King's might be better than Warwick purely because of location. There are a lot more visits from law firms to the London uni's (obviously because all their offices are here) and you have a much better chance to network.
Warwick is still a fantastic university but I think for law you might benefit more from King's (please bear in mind that, as a UCL student, it broke my heart to type that last sentence!)

Reply 11

jy9626

OP

14

easy_lemon

The funny thing is...UCL actually steals a lot of people from King's anyway :biggrin:

so you have the best of both worlds; actually my property professors are both from King's -new this year.

I think, concerning law, King's might be better than Warwick purely because of location. There are a lot more visits from law firms to the London uni's (obviously because all their offices are here) and you have a much better chance to network.
Warwick is still a fantastic university but I think for law you might benefit more from King's (please bear in mind that, as a UCL student, it broke my heart to type that last sentence!)

Thanks!
I badly wanted to get into UCL initially, before going off to my oxford interview in december, so that i can still eventually get into one of those g5 unis. But unfortunately, got rejected. i should've applied to LSE instead of bristol (still haven't heard back from them though), but because of my guidance counselor who told me and my parents that they don't offer an international law programme in their law course, i couldn't (later i realized that they offer a proper LLB programme. so i know that i should've researched more, but still what a stupid and irresponsible guidance counselor!). So, I will try my best on my ibs this may and go to london!

Reply 12

SmokeJaguar

I wouldnt really trust that list... somehow LSE is 66!! worse than, Manchester (29), which is supposedly better than Bristol (32). Those international lists are a bit dodgy. In reality, you should probably just go by reputation than these lists. They vary so much.

Reply 13

jy9626

OP

14

SmokeJaguar

I wouldnt really trust that list... somehow LSE is 66!! worse than, Manchester (29), which is supposedly better than Bristol (32). Those international lists are a bit dodgy. In reality, you should probably just go by reputation than these lists. They vary so much.

Then in terms of 'reputation' for Law, (considering both domestic and international) which one should i choose king's or warwick?

Reply 14

hero-shimmer

Do you like mushy peas/fried chicken/fish in warwick?
or the international cuisine available in London? like bibimbob,kimchi ,bulgogi
When i said King's,my relative thought I got into Cambridge

Reply 15

SmokeJaguar

jy9626

Then in terms of 'reputation' for Law, (considering both domestic and international) which one should i choose king's or warwick?

Kings, as far as I know, is far more reputable than Warwick for Law. I have a friend (who is a damn academic genius) who chose Kings over any other uni for law. Plus it's more internationally recognised. Warwick is a VERY new uni after all.

Reply 16

aforalice

10

I'd say King's for proximity to the big 5 law firms,job opportunities and the fact your actually living somewhere interesting (sorry warwick!). Plus you're studying literally directly opposite the Royal Courts of Justice.

King's 22nd in the world ranking but 11th in the domestic ranking?

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