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Reply 40
lol at all the ''wipe north korea off the map'' comments. Do you think the chinese are just going to sit there and let that happen?
Reply 41
Deadmau5
hahaha are you stupid? China might turn a blind eye to Kim Jong Il's idiocy but if you think they're going to back him up in a war of aggression against the south then you're smoking crazy rock.


They would never turn a blind eye.... they don't want a US led coalition on it's doorstep. A force capable of invading China, unlikely as that sounds... it would be a strategic nightmare.
Reply 42
martin101
because its a chance for other countries to express their dislike of each other in a less open way - ie if China was helping NK and the US was helping SK then you would effectively have China vs the US under the masquerade of NK vs SK


It's called a proxy war.
Reply 43
North Korea is just threatening South Korea as it always has. The funny thing is while the world view the Korea as one of the most dangerous countries, Koreans think as the most safest country to live. I mean they do not think war would ever take place here and it is same fore me.
Reply 44
I think it is just trying to attract attention from Mr. Obama (according to researchers focusing on North Korea) and trying to get something from international community. The country is struggling from serious humanitarian crises, and it has nowhere to turn for now as China is also turning its back. Also, new president in South Korea has been hostile against Kim Jong Il and refused to pour aids unlike former president. Kim Jong Il is also facing health problem and still did not officially declare his successor, so its political situation shoudl also be pretty chaotic. This means the regime also needs to turn away their peoples attention to conflicts with South Korea.

And if war ever takes place in korea again, I'm pretty sure that both China and the US would intervene as Korea is quite importatn for their national interest.
Reply 45
have you lot not been watching the news lately. North Korea had nuclear weapons they did a test about a year ago. It is highly unlikely that they would ever use them because they could probably only get them to south korea and therefore would just be destroyed by the Americans.

If the NK were to attak south korea i think china would find it extreml difficult to support it, as it doesnt wish to destroy its newly formed position with the west, as its now been let into the fold.
I know what happened with the korean war but a heck of alot has changed since then china is now longer seen as the enemy.
Reply 46
North Korea would get owned by South Korea and the US, however, China would get involved, much like in the Korean War, as they view North Korea as a buffer zone between them and US-dominated South Korea and Japan.

Also consider that if N Korea 'kicked off' this time, then they have thousands of missiles (non-Nuke) aimed all over the place. I'm sure that these would be aimed at all of the big US & S Korean bases.

However N Korean equipment and military docterine is still in the 60's and won't stand up to modern equipment.

Paxdax
Couldn't find the North Korean military spendings, but I gather they are way below those of the South.

Yup. It is only about $6 Billion USD.

They have something like the 5th largest army in the world.
Paxdax
South Korea:

GDP (nominal): $969.871 billion
Population: 49 million
Military: 687,000 Active Personnel, 4.5 million reserves
Military spending: $25.5 billion

North Korea:

GDP (nominal): $25.96 billion
Population: 23.79 million
Military: 1.2 million active personnel, 7.75 million reserves

Couldn't find the North Korean military spendings, but I gather they are way below those of the South. Thus, my money is solely on the South. The North may outnumber them 2 to 1 in numbers, but in this day and age quality and economic capacity carries the day alot more than sheer numbers.


The outcome of this hypothetical war will, in all likelihoods be decided by their respective allies' strengths and decisions than by their own capabilities.

Moreover your analysis is very much flawed, Germany has a larger economy than Russia, as does Japan. Both of them combined will probably be defeated -thrashed, rather - by Russia (hypothetical scenario) if they were to take on Russia alone.
Reply 48
maths-enthusiast
The outcome of this hypothetical war will, in all likelihoods be decided by their respective allies' strengths and decisions than by their own capabilities.

Moreover your analysis is very much flawed, Germany has a larger economy than Russia, as does Japan. Both of them combined will probably be defeated -thrashed, rather - by Russia (hypothetical scenario) if they were to take on Russia alone.


Ehm, Russia isn't particularly strong, you know. If it wouldn't have been for the nukes, they wouldn't be able to crack Germany and Japan. No way.
Reply 49
Its the famous '100 Billion and 1 Million problem' that a US Army General said, $100 Billion of damage to South Korea and 1 million dead if there was a war on a conventional level.

Seoul is very close to the border which is why it is so vulnerable.
Reply 50
Paxdax
Ehm, Russia isn't particularly strong, you know. If it wouldn't have been for the nukes, they wouldn't be able to crack Germany and Japan. No way.


:eek3: Reality blows, doesn't it?

Yes Russia Can! Yes We Can.
Reply 51
UGeNe
:eek3: Reality blows, doesn't it?

Yes Russia Can! Yes We Can.


No you can't :smile: .
paxdax, russia dominates germany+japan in almost every imaginable conventional (non nuclear bombs) weapons manufacture and technology too.
Reply 53
maths-enthusiast
paxdax, russia dominates germany+japan in almost every imaginable conventional (non nuclear bombs) weapons manufacture and technology too.


:nah:
You can keep denying that Russia dominates Germany and Japan combined in military, that Westerners are prone to homosexuality, paedophilia and decadence, that the Earth revolves around the Sun or that the Zionists dont deserve to exist and the only reason they do is due to complicity of British (Empire) and western world.

It wont change any facts.
Reply 55
Boring as hell from the sounds of things. It's not hard or particularly expensive to go. Just catch a flight to Beijing and it's a short 2 hour plane journey to Pyongyang. Of course you're given your own North Korean guide to "show you around".

For all those who think its easy to get into North Korea, think again. You need to be reviewed and must wait until a 'tour' is open. Either that or you're a journalist going to speak to Kim Jong-Il. Its hard.

Moreover your analysis is very much flawed, Germany has a larger economy than Russia, as does Japan. Both of them combined will probably be defeated -thrashed, rather - by Russia (hypothetical scenario) if they were to take on Russia alone.

Who are you, or anyone, to judge whether Russia's military would dominate everyone else's? Frankly there are so many variables such as Chain of command, structures, communications, quality of troops, organisation, military intelligence. Let alone the fact that military hardware could be outdated in Russia, to be honest I don't think that you can even judge who would win.

The outcome of this hypothetical war will, in all likelihoods be decided by their respective allies' strengths and decisions than by their own capabilities.

You actually know **** all about North Korea. They don't even have enough food to feed their troops, oil to fuel their planes/tanks and really are a shell just waiting to cave in.

But saying that, GDP means nothing if you are a command economy. North Korea has large reserves of iron, gold and other raw materials which the army just calls on whenever needed. You have to remember, 1/3 of everything produced in N. Korea goes towards the army before the citizens even see it.

Also consider that if N Korea 'kicked off' this time, then they have thousands of missiles (non-Nuke) aimed all over the place. I'm sure that these would be aimed at all of the big US & S Korean bases.

However N Korean equipment and military docterine is still in the 60's and won't stand up to modern equipment.

North Korean equipment, to say the least, cannot even work with the economic problems in the country. Sure, they have missiles aimed everywhere, but no fuel to send them over.

You can keep denying that Russia dominates Germany and Japan combined in military, that Westerners are prone to homosexuality, paedophilia and decadence, that the Earth revolves around the Sun or that the Zionists dont deserve to exist and the only reason they do is due to complicity of British (Empire) and western world.

No, you can keep denying the fact that you are a student, who is pulling information of the internet. But in reality, you know nothing about the complexities of military conflict, or even the armies themselves. The fact is, and something that won't change, no one on here has the expertise to understand what a conflict would be like between Russia vs Germany.
ss7
Who are you, or anyone, to judge whether Russia's military would dominate everyone else's? Frankly there are so many variables such as Chain of command, structures, communications, quality of troops, organisation, military intelligence. Let alone the fact that military hardware could be outdated in Russia, to be honest I don't think that you can even judge who would win.


If Russia were to fight the Zionist entity, or LTTE, what would be the outcome? Do you think nobody can even judge who would win? Germany or Japan is pretty tame compared to Russia in military productions, know how and resources.

You actually know **** all about North Korea. They don't even have enough food to feed their troops, oil to fuel their planes/tanks and really are a shell just waiting to cave in.


Instead of an angry outburst, could you tell us where you got your secret information from?

But saying that, GDP means nothing if you are a command economy. North Korea has large reserves of iron, gold and other raw materials which the army just calls on whenever needed. You have to remember, 1/3 of everything produced in N. Korea goes towards the army before the citizens even see it.

I agree GDP means nothing in North Korean context. Having said that, you only reinforced that notion held by others that GDP is the sole determinant. North Korea, if it has a much lower output than South Korea, would necessarily be constrained by that alone, no matter if they devote 100% of their resources towards it. That's the impression one gets from your explanations.

North Korean equipment, to say the least, cannot even work with the economic problems in the country. Sure, they have missiles aimed everywhere, but no fuel to send them over.


If you say so, Mr Bond, James Bond. Ever heard of China?


No, you can keep denying the fact that you are a student, who is pulling information of the internet. But in reality, you know nothing about the complexities of military conflict, or even the armies themselves. The fact is, and something that won't change, no one on here has the expertise to understand what a conflict would be like between Russia vs Germany.


You learnt all that secret information about North korea from where exactly?
Russia is so far ahead of Germany that there is nothing to doubt. Germany can't even manufacture any large equipment without importing resources unlike Russia.
Reply 57
Paxdax
:nah:


:yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes:

Russia dominates, don't forget it!
Reply 58
UGeNe
:yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes:

Russia dominates, don't forget it!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

USD
Russia: 50,000,000,000
Japan: 48,860,000,000
Germany: 45,930,000,000

Dominates, eh?
Reply 59
Paxdax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

USD
Russia: 50,000,000,000
Japan: 48,860,000,000
Germany: 45,930,000,000

Dominates, eh?


Do you know the exchange rate?

Do you know what buying power means?:rolleyes:

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