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Reply 160
Anyone know the music that is playing in the scene between Syrio and Arya?

The one in the 'water dance' scene. Its superb. Really fits the scene I reckon.
Reply 161
Original post by Ape Gone Insane
I know right. Where did the curly hair come from? :awesome:


He looked like some character you'd find in kids' TV in the 90s, that nowadays would make you feel slightly uncomfortable.


This guy is great!

I thought the episode was made well enough, I quite like the way the story seems to be developing. My main issue though is that I'm finding it impossible to care or even have an interest in any of the characters. I still haven't learnt half their names.

Also there are massive disparities in terms of acting ability, and that's really starting to grate. It doesn't help matters that they've stuck one of the best actors next to some of the absolute worst (the oldish ex-knight with the two white-haired people).

I had to laugh at the brothel scene. I could just imagine a producer furiously screaming "Guys we haven't filled our tit quota for this episode. We need more nudity, goddamnit!"

Original post by Rant
Syrio Forel is totally wrong.


Is that the Italian Tom Jones?
Reply 164
I really don't understand why HBO throws nudity into everything. It becomes a little grating and definitely very jarring. On Broadwalk Empire this became ridiculous how often they had the big lipped bimbo with her whole body on show.

If people want porn the internet will do, tv shouldn't need 'nakedness' to be 'mature'. It is taking its que from games :facepalm2:
Most people don't find that it really detracts from the shows, or that it's annoying or offensive. In the case of Game Of Thrones, it's in the story, in the case of Boardwalk Empire... Well, I don't even remember it being that bad. What's so awful about someone getting out of a bed and being nude? It's simply more realistic (I mean, they're cheating and such, so they've ****ed and then slept with these people, and then woken up... Clothes don't just magically appear) and at the end of the day, it's just a human body, maaaaaayn.



That and the worst culprits of this totally aren't HBO shows. *cough Showtime/Starz*
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Reply 166
Original post by Phalanges
I thought the episode was made well enough, I quite like the way the story seems to be developing. My main issue though is that I'm finding it impossible to care or even have an interest in any of the characters. I still haven't learnt half their names.

This is my main problem with the show. I have a very basic idea of the plot, but there's far too much going on at once for me to comprehend or remember. I don't know most of the character's names, I don't know how most of them are related, I can't remember where the dagger and the girl's sword in the most recent episode came from, I don't know who killed who, etc etc. Not entirely the show's fault though, I do have a pretty crap memory and I missed some of the dialogue on the most recent episode because my housemates were talking during it.
Reply 167
Original post by Mess.
I really don't understand why HBO throws nudity into everything. It becomes a little grating and definitely very jarring. On Broadwalk Empire this became ridiculous how often they had the big lipped bimbo with her whole body on show.

If people want porn the internet will do, tv shouldn't need 'nakedness' to be 'mature'. It is taking its que from games :facepalm2:



Or maybe it is taking it's queue from the series of books on which this show is based... And games have hardly any nudity :facepalm:


Original post by Ape Gone Insane
Well if you're ever interested, click for full size (contains some spoilers):



http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones/


Cool picture!
Original post by concubine

Original post by concubine
Most people don't find that it really detracts from the shows, or that it's annoying or offensive. In the case of Game Of Thrones, it's in the story, in the case of Boardwalk Empire... Well, I don't even remember it being that bad. What's so awful about someone getting out of a bed and being nude? It's simply more realistic (I mean, they're cheating and such, so they've ****ed and then slept with these people, and then woken up... Clothes don't just magically appear) and at the end of the day, it's just a human body, maaaaaayn.



That and the worst culprits of this totally aren't HBO shows. *cough Showtime/Starz*


The problem is that it's added in for no other reason than derivatively allowing manly men to be pleased with the fact that they're watch a show for men. As for it being realistic and just a human body; when was the last time you saw a naked man on a TV show?
Reply 169
Original post by Phalanges
The problem is that it's added in for no other reason than derivatively allowing manly men to be pleased with the fact that they're watch a show for men. As for it being realistic and just a human body; when was the last time you saw a naked man on a TV show?


The latest season of Spartacus; which finished a few weeks ago.
Reply 170
Original post by Phalanges
The problem is that it's added in for no other reason than derivatively allowing manly men to be pleased with the fact that they're watch a show for men. As for it being realistic and just a human body; when was the last time you saw a naked man on a TV show?


It's added in because that is how the bloody book was written. (And there is much, much more in the book). This show shows a very small amount of nudity and sex compared to many other shows, there really is no issue here.


edit: I for one enjoyed the books. I enjoy watching the scenes too, I suppose this is a series aimed at people like me, and not at all of the complainers.
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Reply 171
Original post by Dragon
This is my main problem with the show. I have a very basic idea of the plot, but there's far too much going on at once for me to comprehend or remember. I don't know most of the character's names, I don't know how most of them are related, I can't remember where the dagger and the girl's sword in the most recent episode came from, I don't know who killed who, etc etc. Not entirely the show's fault though, I do have a pretty crap memory and I missed some of the dialogue on the most recent episode because my housemates were talking during it.


No you're definitely right on that count, and it is the show's fault. From someone who read the book almost obsessively, even I'm finding myself a little confused in the HBO series!
Original post by aliluvschoc
It's added in because that is how the bloody book was written. (And there is much, much more in the book). This show shows a very small amount of nudity and sex compared to many other shows, there really is no issue here.


I couldn't give a damn if it was in the books, it felt jarring and broke my immersion in the show. This isn't the book, it's an adaptation, and the makers should have the creative responsibility to be allowed to make scenes as they see fit. If there was a bizarre wood-dweller who sang in stress-timed metre to the characters in the books that makes no sense to the plot then their choice to cut him would be brave and correct.

What I am saying is that the decisions the show makes should be judged on their own. I had a problem with the brothel scene because I found it derivative. If you enjoyed it then that's fine, it's a difference of opinion. But the defence that it was in the book isn't really a defence at all.

edit: I for one enjoyed the books. I enjoy watching the scenes too, I suppose this is a series aimed at people like me, and not at all of the complainers.


This is an utterly ridiculous argument. You could say that everything is designed only for people that like it, negating any criticism of anything.
Reply 173
Original post by Ape Gone Insane
Well if you're ever interested, click for full size (contains some spoilers):



http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones/


That's great, thanks! Am I correct in saying that we have yet to see all the characters depicted?
Reply 174
Original post by Phalanges
I couldn't give a damn if it was in the books, it felt jarring and broke my immersion in the show. This isn't the book, it's an adaptation, and the makers should have the creative responsibility to be allowed to make scenes as they see fit. If there was a bizarre wood-dweller who sang in stress-timed metre to the characters in the books that makes no sense to the plot then their choice to cut him would be brave and correct.

What I am saying is that the decisions the show makes should be judged on their own. I had a problem with the brothel scene because I found it derivative. If you enjoyed it then that's fine, it's a difference of opinion. But the defence that it was in the book isn't really a defence at all.
I disagree, I would say it's all the defence it needs. If indeed it needs any at all. If it is to do the book justice, it should aim to stay true to that book. Obviously it has done that quite well, receiving praise from fans of the books. Perhaps the very aim of this series is to stay true to the book where ever possible, whilst making for a good series on the screen.


And the fact is many, many adults (I might even chance at the majority of adults), do enjoy sex and nudity. When it isn't over powering. And I think most people would agree that this series has kept it relatively tame. No sex, no nudity at all (especially in settings like the brothel) would make it unrealistic.




This is an utterly ridiculous argument. You could say that everything is designed only for people that like it, negating any criticism of anything.


It's not ridiculous. Documentaries are made for people who enjoy history (or the topic of the documentary, whatever that may be). Emmerdale is made for people who enjoy easy-going, relaxing soap stories about real life situations. Game of Thrones is made for people who love action and adventure, Archaic settings true to their origins, very much based on sex, nudity, war and the like.

We expect sex, nudity, blood and war because that is what this type of well-defined setting promises in abundance. It is what defines it.
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Original post by Ape Gone Insane
Well if you're ever interested, click for full size (contains some spoilers):



http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones/


But... wheres Stannis?
Original post by aliluvschoc
And the fact is many, many adults (I might even chance at the majority of adults), do enjoy sex and nudity. When it isn't over powering. And I think most people would agree that this series has kept it relatively tame. No sex, no nudity at all (especially in settings like the brothel) would make it unrealistic.


Realism is not one of the things this series has going for it. I'm not necessarily arguing for no nudity either, just that it's used better. Consider swearing; I have no problem with swearing if it's used in a way that makes sense. But if it feels like it's just been tacked on to try and make the show feel edgy and try and appeal to a more adult sort of audience, I'm not a fan.

We expect sex, nudity, blood and war because that is what this type of well-defined setting promises in abundance. It is what defines it.


If that was the case I wouldn't have a problem with it. But a defining feature is usually something integral to the show; I wouldn't have said that the sex and nudity so far has been integral.
Reply 177
Original post by Phalanges
Realism is not one of the things this series has going for it. I'm not necessarily arguing for no nudity either, just that it's used better. Consider swearing; I have no problem with swearing if it's used in a way that makes sense. But if it feels like it's just been tacked on to try and make the show feel edgy and try and appeal to a more adult sort of audience, I'm not a fan.

The thing is, it is important to the story. Consider the part where Daenerys makes The Khal have sex with her face-to-face rather than from behind - that's quite an important part of the plot.

The part in the first episode where Viserys (the white-blond would-be-king) looks at his sister. It plays his character up to exactly as he's meant to be seen. And it shows that Daenerys is being sold for her body.

The part where the two twins (the Queen and her bother) are having sex in the tower. Incredibly important, it cannot be missed out.

The point of the nudity in the brothel was important because (despite the fact that it was, of course, a brothel) it made Peter Littlefinger seem like a sleaze and it played up the fact that Lady Stark was hidden in such a completely unlikely place that no one would suspect she was there (in a house full of naked women) as she was such an upstanding women herself.


I do not see how it appears tacked on in any way, shape or form. Nudity in a brothel is not tacked on, and the storyline required the characters to be in a brothel.

None of these scenes can be missed out or else the story does not make sense, and the characters are not portrayed in their true sense.


If that was the case I wouldn't have a problem with it. But a defining feature is usually something integral to the show; I wouldn't have said that the sex and nudity so far has been integral.

As above, and also even if that wasn't the case, it's often integral to the setting, not just the story. It just is, as much as swords and kings are.
Original post by aliluvschoc
The thing is, it is important to the story. Consider the part where Daenerys makes The Khal have sex with her face-to-face rather than from behind - that's quite an important part of the plot.

The part in the first episode where Viserys (the white-blond would-be-king) looks at his sister. It plays his character up to exactly as he's meant to be seen. And it shows that Daenerys is being sold for her body.

The part where the two twins (the Queen and her bother) are having sex in the tower. Incredibly important, it cannot be missed out.

The point of the nudity in the brothel was important because (despite the fact that it was, of course, a brothel) it made Peter Littlefinger seem like a sleaze and it played up the fact that Lady Stark was hidden in such a completely unlikely place that no one would suspect she was there (in a house full of naked women) as she was such an upstanding women herself.


I do not see how it appears tacked on in any way, shape or form. Nudity in a brothel is not tacked on, and the storyline required the characters to be in a brothel.

None of these scenes can be missed out or else the story does not make sense, and the characters are not portrayed in their true sense.

As above, and also even if that wasn't the case, it's often integral to the setting, not just the story. It just is, as much as swords and kings are.


I don't really have that much of a problem with most of the scenes you mention in the first two episodes, they worked well and served a purpose. However in the brothel it felt like they had an excuse rather than a reason. I don't buy that the idea of the only way that could make it seem seedy was to show breasts everywhere.
Original post by Phalanges
I don't really have that much of a problem with most of the scenes you mention in the first two episodes, they worked well and served a purpose. However in the brothel it felt like they had an excuse rather than a reason. I don't buy that the idea of the only way that could make it seem seedy was to show breasts everywhere.




Human sexuality is as vital a part of a good story as anger, treachery or obsession. Having a good read of your posts I canot help but get the feeling your real problem with the nudity is not that it is generally jarring, but that it just makes you uncomfortable and so ruins your own personal experience. Perhaps youre just a bit of a prude. (Not meant in an derogatory fashion by the way, some people would have the same experience with regard to the blood or the incest.)

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