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patrickinator

Negg me if you will vote for the Centre Party

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Reply 1

Iron Lady

The 'put back in place 50p tax' sent a shiver down my spine.

Reply 2

Swaraj

I was about to say 'I'd definitely consider it' up until your point on the referendum on the House of Lords. Restore the hereditary peerage.

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3 negs? Pfft. H8rs gon' h8.

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Reply 3

DarkWhite

Largely agree, but a few things:

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Gathering public opinion is obviously cruicial, but 3 referenda shows a lack of confidence in own policies in my view. That, and referenda has its own problems - ignoring minority representation, apathy from particular groups swaying the vote, etc. It's also not cheap.

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Three-strike law is ridiculous - if I smoked a cigarette when I was 14, downloaded a copy of the Call Me Maybe single and accidentally dropped a sweet wrapper when I took the keys out of my pocket, I could be put away for 20 years. Some criminal offences are just terribly minor.

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Human rights are important.

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What 'labour non-jobs' are you on about? Unemployment just isn't great for the economy or society as a whole.

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Disagree with MP serving limit. Experience is undoubtedly beneficial. The problem with MPs is their often lack of ability to fulfil the representation side of their role and exercising their own opinions before that of the voter - that's what needs to change.

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Why fewer MPs? It would mean MPs have to represent more people at once, a difficult task before we even work on their representative side of the role, and an ever-growing population won't help.

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Guaranteeing discussion is good; lowering to 50k probably isn't - Commons have enough to get through as it is, and if something is in such demand, getting 100k signatures shouldn't be a big ask.

Reply 4

HeyyImRyan

Referendum on Europe or the EU? :s-smilie:

Legalisation* of Cannabis: no.
Legalisation of hardcore drugs: I can't tell if this was a joke or not. :confused:

Reducing the level of immigration, do you mean regulatory per annum or are you literally going to pick people up and drop them back in their own country? If the latter: no.

Increase in prison space goes against fiscal austerity and would be a huge burden on UK finance. Perhaps privatise prisons?

European Court of Human Rights can't be abandoned if we're part of the EU, part of the constitution that EU Law overrides parliamentary statute.

We are already leaving Iraq & Afghanistan.

How do you plan on cutting government spending while increasing prison space drastically and narrowing our possible exports via removal from the EU? :rolleyes:

Some of your points are good, others are naive...as with any party I suppose :smile:

I'd vote for you if you developed a more realistic and less radical manifesto :biggrin:

Reply 5

Aj12

Quite a few of your areas need expansion.

Reduction of immigration. These blanket approaches seems stupid. They will damage the country, the UK needs skilled immigration your cap would stop this?
The three strikes law. What counts as an offence? Are we going to have people caught being drunk and disorderly or speeding thrown in jail for 20 years?
No more interventions in the Middle East. Again stupid. What if there was a nation posing a genuine threat to the world, would you oppose this? If you are going to ban interventions then you must have the UK abonden all international obligations including alliances in the region as well as the UN and to some extent NATO.
Ban foreign aid. At its most cynical level forgien aid spending buys the UK influence and can be used as a form of soft power to help us guarantee our interests abroad. Something all rich nations tend to do.
Cutting the budget from 500 to 300 billion. That's going to require a far bit more than what you have outlined here. What are these huge reductions in welfare going to be?
Cut labour non jobs. Can you outline what these jobs are?
Why should MP's only serve 5 terms? We are a democracy if the people want someone then let them have them.
Why do we need to reduce MP's?
No more health bills? Really?
Why would you bring back the 50P tax rate? It was shown to bring in less than the 40 rate.

Original post by patrickinator

The Central Party's Manifesto:

What do you think - please come up with your own suggestions for the centre party. We shall put the trust back into politicians by beating the Sleazy Tories, untrustworthy labourites and those idiot libdems. Please do not negg because you don't agree with one of my policies!

Reply 6

Mendeleev's Table

You say you can't trust the main 3, but take ideas from all of them, mix them together with a dash of idealism and call it a manifesto. Good luck.

Reply 7

TGH1

Original post by patrickinator

Cut 150000 'labour non-jobs'.

As supportive as I am of abolishing positions that need not exist, I find the 150000 figure somewhat convenient. It raises a number of issues:

(i) Can you define 'non-job'? For surely this is a subjective concern, with people's definition of whether a job need exist or not differing in many instances.
(ii) How would you cut that many non-jobs? Supposing you want to go about it properly - i.e. going on whether a job should exist or not by more than job title alone - you'd have to have an official review. You would run the risk of creating more 'non-jobs' than you cut: turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas, would they?
(iii) How many 'non-jobs' are there? Indeed, are there even 150000 'non-jobs'? This of course would depend on the definition of 'non-job'.

Lastly, who would go about trying to actually do the cutting? Think about it. You'll probably find your 'non-jobs'.

Probably not.

Original post by patrickinator

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A manifesto which confuses tax-avoidance with tax-evasion whilst ironically decrying other parties as 'idiotic' is not one that merits anyone's endorsement.

Reply 10

HeyyImRyan

I do believe however that the core attributes of the OP's post are pretty necessary - we need a new, strong political party. :smile:

There is no need to be ran by public schoolboys and we need people that do well and truly understand the circumstances of the majority of Britain. If TSR put one of those together then I would most definitely give them my vote. (I'm interested in helping if anyone decides they want to run the UK :wink:

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No.

Original post by Mendeleev's Table

You say you can't trust the main 3, but take ideas from all of them, mix them together with a dash of idealism and call it a manifesto. Good luck.

That is exactly why we are the centre party. We can do this!

Reply 13

Otkem

Some of it I agreed with, but most of it is far too socialist for my liking. I'll pass.

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Reply 14

patrickinator

Original post by geetar

No.

Why and what would you like to see changed. if you are disliking because I mispelt a few words then that is a bit pathetic

Reply 15

patrickinator

Original post by Otkem

Some of it I agreed with, but most of it is far too socialist for my liking. I'll pass.

I am a tory, but I did put a few left wing policies to try to please them, a little....

Not a chance

Never. And this is coming from me... It must mean something.

Reply 18

chickenonsteroids

Change your party's name to The Patrickinator Party and ... well... no I wouldn't vote but I'd like the name :biggrin:

Reply 19

Bohedie

Referendum on Europe. yes
Legalization of Cannabis. No
Referendum on the legalization of hard drugs - heroine cocaine etc. No
Reduce immigration from current levels of over 200000 to less than 50000 with immediate effect. Yes
Three strike law - three offences and immediately 20 years in prison. ...why?
Increase available prison space from a ridiculous 1000 to an extra 30000-40000. okay
Abandon European court of human rights. Sort of
Remove all troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. No more military intervention in Middle East. Yes
Cut all spending on foreign aid. kinda
Cut government spending from £500 billion to under £300 billion - a sustainable rate. during periods of growth a budget surplus must be maintained. Yes
huge reductions in welfare payments and White elephant projects such as HS2 and olympics (can't stop it now) and art and culture projects. --> if anything spend it wisely on Extremely fast broadband for the country. why can't the broadband companies fund that why is it the governments responsibility? why don't you do something useful like give tax breaks to start up firms?
Cut 150000 'labour non-jobs'.
Cuts in red tape across private sector to allow large amounts of growth in these areas. wouldn't do an awful lot...
introduce a law by which people may only serve as an MP for 5 terms. Why? My local MP has been in my whole life and everyone thinks he does a great job in representing us
referendum on the house of lords. why?
Tax cut for MPs from £60000 to £45000 and reduction in pay for the shadow cabinet from cabinet salary to MP salary. this will just increase the temptation to fiddle expenses again
Reduction in amount of MPs. how would this be done fairly so population size rather than land mass is still represented?
NO more health bills to change the NHS that cost billions of pounds. Leave it as it is and allow managers to identify areas in which spending can be cut down. This was the big society idea and it has failed us miserably
order investigation into David Cameron for allowing people to pay their way into dinner with him investigation into Tony Blair into tax avoidance - he earned £12 million last year but paid less than £1 million. me and most the country would rather you spent money insuring all MPs were paying their tax rather than worrying about who Cameron ate with. so long as there's a list of who attends
Put back in place 50p tax. ...no.
On e-petitions website, 50000 signatures will GUARANTEE it be discussed in the house of commons. ha.
Tuition fees will be capped at £3000 per year. where will the money come from for this?
Maintain the law that gives tax breaks to people who donate to charity/universities.sure

a lot of things you have suggested are pointless and expensive, unpopular or unrealistic. You need to choose what cause you really want to follow through and build everything else around it. Where will the money come from for £3000 a year uni fee caps if you're reducing the yearly budget to £300 billion? You acknowledge we have no prison space but want to put people inside for 20 years at a time? You want to waste money on putting in fibre optic broadband across the country which will seem as big a waste of money to a lot of people (mainly the ones of voting age) think is a similar waste of money as that of HS2. Virgin put down their own high speed broadband why can't the others do the same? Also how can you hold a referendum on the legalization of heroine and cocaine? are you mentally stable?

You make some good point on immigration and reducing the budget but the rest is naive and in a lot of cases counter productive and hypercritical of your own policies.