How would a student's knowledge of biology be different...

Flippin heck.

The wavelength of blue light will be objectively the same no matter what language you speak. It is measurable and observable. It is the exact same!

Yes.

Do you think if you learnt biology in france, you would know all these technical ENGLISH biology words? If you don't, then your knowledge is different.

Concepts same. Language knowledge different. So overall knowledge different.

Yes.

Do you think if you learnt biology in france, you would know all these technical ENGLISH biology words? If you don't, then your knowledge is different.

Concepts same. Language knowledge different. So overall knowledge different.

Nope. A frenchy and an englishman can both measure 470nm as the wavelength for blue light. It is the same thing, even though they have different words for it.

I think Godd has a point.

Knowledge can also be knowing the name of an object in different languages.

What beggars belief is that you think a french biologist and an english biologist possess EXACTLY the same knowledge of biology when one doesn't know what the parts of an animal cell are called in french and the other doesn't know what the parts of an animal cell are called in english.

I think Godd has a point.

Knowledge can also be knowing the name of an object in different languages.

What beggars belief is that you think a french biologist and an english biologist possess EXACTLY the same knowledge of biology when one doesn't know what the parts of an animal cell are called in french and the other doesn't know what the parts of an animal cell are called in english.

That is a type of knowledge. It is not scientific knowledge, it is linguistic. You are talking about being able to translate.

If a French engineer can design an experiment and make the same prediction as an English engineer, then they have the same scientific knowledge.

It's still knowledge though.

Your overall knowledge of biology composes of concepts in biology and labels attached to those concepts, like godd said. You can't say the french and english engineer possess exactly the same knowledge, they possess exactly the same concepts but their linguistic knowledge is different. If that makes sense, lol.

What the know about biology is the same
The way they think is different, and then presumably the way they write papers is a little different as well.

Your overall knowledge consists of concepts with suggestively named LISP tokens attached to them. The tokens don't mean anything themselves, they are just code. You could decide to respell every word you know with an 'a' at the front. Ait adoesn't achange awhat ayou aknow ait ajust amakes ayou alook aa alittle apeculiar.

We all agree that the concepts are the shared aspects. No one is denying that.

What Godd and I are arguing is that with concepts, you attach language labels. They are different across languages. Hence that is why you can answer a biology exam in english but can't answer the same biology exam in french.

You probably could if it were multiple choice, or mainly diagrammatic.

You almost certainly could if you were given a translator, even one with no knowledge of biology. And you would both make the same accuracy of predictions regardless of language, so you'd be regarded as holding the same state of scientific knowledge.

Defining knowledge is very hard.

How do you define knowledge?

The ability to make accurate predictions.

EDIT: as in, to model a scenario accurately requires knowledge. Since this is all knowledge is ever used for ultimately, this should be our metric- the detail and size our our map, and it's correspondence to the territory.

So, after this debate, what is your verdict?

How would a student's knowledge of biology be different if one was taught using english as a medium of instruction and the other was taught using french as a medium of instruction?

Negligibly different. They would make almost entirely the same predictions ceteris paribus. They both model the world in the same way, and as such can be considered to have equivalent knowledge.

Would you consider the following expressions to be the same, or different:
$4(3a+2a) \text{and} 20a$
I would consider the English and French student's knowledge to differ by that quantity. If you consider them different, then you are simply defining things differently to me.

1)we know you and Godd are the same person

2)The knowledge of biology itself would not change. I have experienced both the French and British education system,whilst I had to adapt to the change in terminology and stuff,my knowledge of biology was the same