The world is going to tear itself apart with Islam hate

I'm atheist

You can close the case by giving me a specific case study of 'integration failing'.And my definition of failing is that all immigrants had to leave or they were killed by the locals.A handful of immigrants causingproblems is not 'failed integration'.

You can close the case by giving me a specific case study of 'integration failing'.

And my definition of failing is that all immigrants had to leave or they were killed by the locals.

A handful of immigrants causingproblems is not 'failed integration'.

Every time there is a terrorist attack by a Middle-Easterner - regardless of their backstory, any other factors that could attribute to radicalisation, or failings in our own security, there is a massive group of people who start blaming Islam.

I think we should be allowed to criticise religions, and it is my personal belief that the world would be a better place without any religion, or if all religions became lifestyle choices and non-political. But that is realistically not going to happen, so we have to work with the situation we are in.

But the line has been crossed. All of the disrespectful people on here and many other places hide behind the shield of 'freedom to criticise religion'. But constantly attributing Islam, and incriminating all Muslims with the actions of a tiny amount is not criticising a religion - that is hating the religion.

Hating the religion causes more problems, it alienates the malleable members of the community, which segregates them and essentially makes them more likely to sympathise with radical ideas.

Islam does say barbaric things, but going around persecuting ordinary Muslims who have the common decency to follow Islam while respecting our own culture is a part of the problem. In New York, two innocent Muslims were killed and I have seen disgusting people on this website telling me they deserve it.

We are genuinely going to be in a stage about 30 years from now where radical religious attacks are extremely common, and not because of Islam being extreme, its because people are too hateful to realise that the terrorists clearly and deliberately manipulate what Islam says to justify their own actions, and the remaining 1.6 billion decent Muslims ignore it.

I've been to the heart of Muslim communities where the children probably haven't even seen westerners before, and the adults hadn't left their country, and they are friendlier than the average white person in the UK, they offer food and hospitality and they did not run out with a meat cleaver trying to behead some of the controversially-dressed girls in my group of people. They are good people, and they don't deserve to suffer at the hands of both terrorists who don't care about the average Muslim, or the average racist and disrespectful moron who is too hateful to incriminate the people actually responsible for their problems.

Please, stop stirring up religious hatred every time there is a terrorist attack. You are not criticising the religion by instantly incriminating Islam with any Middle-Easterner doing an attack - you are plainly hating on it, these people don't just 'snap' and turn into killers because they want to defend Islam, they do it because something ****ty has happened in their lives and they want to harm as many people as possible, and they find comfort in radical / extremist Islam because it legitimises their hateful feelings.

Absolutely

And think about it - if everyone converted to Islam, there'd be no need for terrorism.

So Islam is the cure for terrorism!

Checkmate islamophobes

Every time there is a terrorist attack by a Middle-Easterner - regardless of their backstory, any other factors that could attribute to radicalisation, or failings in our own security, there is a massive group of people who start blaming Islam.

I think we should be allowed to criticise religions, and it is my personal belief that the world would be a better place without any religion, or if all religions became lifestyle choices and non-political. But that is realistically not going to happen, so we have to work with the situation we are in.

But the line has been crossed. All of the disrespectful people on here and many other places hide behind the shield of 'freedom to criticise religion'. But constantly attributing Islam, and incriminating all Muslims with the actions of a tiny amount is not criticising a religion - that is hating the religion.

Hating the religion causes more problems, it alienates the malleable members of the community, which segregates them and essentially makes them more likely to sympathise with radical ideas.

Islam does say barbaric things, but going around persecuting ordinary Muslims who have the common decency to follow Islam while respecting our own culture is a part of the problem. In New York, two innocent Muslims were killed and I have seen disgusting people on this website telling me they deserve it.

We are genuinely going to be in a stage about 30 years from now where radical religious attacks are extremely common, and not because of Islam being extreme, its because people are too hateful to realise that the terrorists clearly and deliberately manipulate what Islam says to justify their own actions, and the remaining 1.6 billion decent Muslims ignore it.

I've been to the heart of Muslim communities where the children probably haven't even seen westerners before, and the adults hadn't left their country, and they are friendlier than the average white person in the UK, they offer food and hospitality and they did not run out with a meat cleaver trying to behead some of the controversially-dressed girls in my group of people. They are good people, and they don't deserve to suffer at the hands of both terrorists who don't care about the average Muslim, or the average racist and disrespectful moron who is too hateful to incriminate the people actually responsible for their problems.

Please, stop stirring up religious hatred every time there is a terrorist attack. You are not criticising the religion by instantly incriminating Islam with any Middle-Easterner doing an attack - you are plainly hating on it, these people don't just 'snap' and turn into killers because they want to defend Islam, they do it because something ****ty has happened in their lives and they want to harm as many people as possible, and they find comfort in radical / extremist Islam because it legitimises their hateful feelings.

Islamaphobia is arguably what alienates some of the potential future malleable young individuals into perpetrators, I think worrying about Islam hate or hate against Muslims is entirely warranted.

Every time there is a terrorist attack by a Middle-Easterner - regardless of their backstory, any other factors that could attribute to radicalisation, or failings in our own security, there is a massive group of people who start blaming Islam.

I think we should be allowed to criticise religions, and it is my personal belief that the world would be a better place without any religion, or if all religions became lifestyle choices and non-political. But that is realistically not going to happen, so we have to work with the situation we are in.

But the line has been crossed. All of the disrespectful people on here and many other places hide behind the shield of 'freedom to criticise religion'. But constantly attributing Islam, and incriminating all Muslims with the actions of a tiny amount is not criticising a religion - that is hating the religion.

Hating the religion causes more problems, it alienates the malleable members of the community, which segregates them and essentially makes them more likely to sympathise with radical ideas.

Islam does say barbaric things, but going around persecuting ordinary Muslims who have the common decency to follow Islam while respecting our own culture is a part of the problem. In New York, two innocent Muslims were killed and I have seen disgusting people on this website telling me they deserve it.

We are genuinely going to be in a stage about 30 years from now where radical religious attacks are extremely common, and not because of Islam being extreme, its because people are too hateful to realise that the terrorists clearly and deliberately manipulate what Islam says to justify their own actions, and the remaining 1.6 billion decent Muslims ignore it.

I've been to the heart of Muslim communities where the children probably haven't even seen westerners before, and the adults hadn't left their country, and they are friendlier than the average white person in the UK, they offer food and hospitality and they did not run out with a meat cleaver trying to behead some of the controversially-dressed girls in my group of people. They are good people, and they don't deserve to suffer at the hands of both terrorists who don't care about the average Muslim, or the average racist and disrespectful moron who is too hateful to incriminate the people actually responsible for their problems.

Please, stop stirring up religious hatred every time there is a terrorist attack. You are not criticising the religion by instantly incriminating Islam with any Middle-Easterner doing an attack - you are plainly hating on it, these people don't just 'snap' and turn into killers because they want to defend Islam, they do it because something ****ty has happened in their lives and they want to harm as many people as possible, and they find comfort in radical / extremist Islam because it legitimises their hateful feelings.

Islam is as important as we choose to make it. There are no powerful Islamic countries.

Oooh where did you go OP?
I had the same experience going to Pakistan. The general population is so welcoming to foreigners and there is such a sense of community and empathy that you just don't see enough over here.
I volunteered at a hospital after a terrorist attack funded by India (cuz believe or not not all terrorism is done by 'muslims' and so many of the injured and dying people who were brought in were carried for miles by total strangers to the hospital. These strangers would then stay with the patients and bring them food despite being completely poor with no pennies to spare.
And yes - pretty much all muslims over there so...

True there are some controversial phrases in the Quran, but if you look at the history at the time those were released - most of them were during war periods. The majority of the book actually does condemn violence and preach peace, acceptance of everyone regardless of their religion, even rights for women etc.

If you (and this is directed at generally to anyone reading) are one of those people who pick out violent sounding phrases from the Quran as justifcation for your views,
then remember that that is what the those murdering extremists do.
So you are not presenting yourself as very educated person. Which is a shame really.

Oooh where did you go OP?
I had the same experience going to Pakistan. The general population is so welcoming to foreigners and there is such a sense of community and empathy that you just don't see enough over here.
I volunteered at a hospital after a terrorist attack funded by India (cuz believe or not not all terrorism is done by 'muslims' and so many of the injured and dying people who were brought in were carried for miles by total strangers to the hospital. These strangers would then stay with the patients and bring them food despite being completely poor with no pennies to spare.
And yes - pretty much all muslims over there so...

True there are some controversial phrases in the Quran, but if you look at the history at the time those were released - most of them were during war periods. The majority of the book actually does condemn violence and preach peace, acceptance of everyone regardless of their religion, even rights for women etc.

If you (and this is directed at generally to anyone reading) are one of those people who pick out violent sounding phrases from the Quran as justifcation for your views,
then remember that that is what the those murdering extremists do.
So you are not presenting yourself as very educated person. Which is a shame really.

In all honesty both the bible and the quran have horrible passages in it, but this is not the point. look at nearly all "christian" countries and they are Tolerant they are mostly peaceful they do not hold everyone under their religion or try to, they accept different cultures and they are normally not very extreme, Christianity has reformed and society has progressed in the Western world. We have a pope who is one of the highest figureheads of Christianity accepting gays, being nice to refugees and accepting many people that the Muslim world would not dare accept.


The Islamic world is centuries behind us socially and it does not look like you will be catchin up any time soon.

Absolutely

And think about it - if everyone converted to Islam, there'd be no need for terrorism.

So Islam is the cure for terrorism!

Checkmate islamophobes

Yeah but Saudi has all the oil... Its why no other country, including USA and UK, wants to do anything actively to improve the human rights there. Don't wanna upset the guys with the oil!

Yes but the majority of Christian countries (not all but a majority) are well established and have enough money to educate and keep their population happy.
Whereas the majority of muslim countries are still unstable, impoverished, in the middle of wars that were actually started by Western foreign policies. A large number of their population is uneducated and constantly in fear of their family's saftey to worry about anything else.
So it is pretty hard to comare them both with each other at the moment...

sounds very much ISI propaganda, pakistan was responsible for training most of the al queda and taliban terrorists for decades, including the 7/7 bombers from the uk. the attacks going in pakistan right now are simply the gneeration of islamic terrorists it trained that no longer fund it anymore becuase the USAs threats, and their backlashing against the hand that fed them for so long. that is what happens when you flirt with extremists for you own aims.
there is islamic terrorism globally - so there must be some doctrine that promotes it amoung islamically indcotrinated people. other faiths are not linked with this sort of thing as much as islamic communities

I really hope you are not implying that my personal experiences are ISI propaganda! Harsh.

And as far as I have read, the USA and Saudi have had just as much influence on the birth and upbringing of those terrorist groups. And even if a countries rigged government are responsible for them, why should an innocent public have to pay the price?

And remember that most religion have gone through a rough patch where they have had extremeists fight under their name. Its just the world becoming smaller and more connected that has caused this to become such a huge thing