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"Drugs are for mugs"

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Reply 40
Original post by SirKyrgystan
You're barely even responding to what I said. Your list of people with achievements, is not the golden standard for determining whether drugs are overall, bad for people, and thus whether or not drugs are for "mugs". Furthermore, as I've said, just because a few dozen people do drugs and came up with some good ****, it does not mean that millions of people have not ruined their lives due to drugs. It's such a ridiculous generalization to say people must be lacking knowledge just because they don't rely on your cherry-picked poster-boys for drug use for their opinion on whether it is a practice for "mugs" or not. Worse still, it's incredibly hypocritical to fight an outrageous generalization with one of your own.


But you're ignoring the actual point. Saying "drugs are for mugs" asserts that anyone who takes drugs is a "mug". Even if there was only one person ever who took drugs and was very smart, then this statement would therefore be false. But the reality is that there have been many very smart and talented people who have taken drugs, and that even in the general population, many many drug users are smart people. Take a look at this study http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/15/why-kids-with-high-iq-are-more-likely-to-take-drugs/
Medical doctors are also known to... try things out as well. In past was a problem with drug addiction in people such as GP's.
Has a negative stereotype as it is usually those that are vulnerable that get addicted - and therefore those with low levels of education and wealth, etc.
It is notable that there are many 'professional alcoholics', that drink huge amounts of alcohol but remain functional.


Fair enough. Actually that's quite interesting - reminded me of Sherlock as well :tongue:
Reply 43
Original post by Mathemagicien
While non-specialists are even more easily swayed by incorrect or misinterpreted information and anecdotal evidence. And surely greed had a lot to do with the financial crisis? Its not like the bankers had an interest in the Greater Good, which obviously have to somehow be a prerequisite for being in the hypothetical Technocratic Council.


But prominent economists supported the bankers and predicted that nothing bad would come of their conduct.
Original post by Mathemagicien
What is edgy about my avatar(s)?


Nothing, hence the pseudo


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As a sideline non-user, here is my two cents.

People seem to think about casual drug use effecting you one way or another in extremes. I think Drugs won't turn you into a genius like the people you listed; but in the same breath it will not turn you into a degenerate, morally-corrupt junkie like the government would like people to believe. The war on drugs has been a complete and utter failure, instead of dropping the charade and seeking more viable forms of combating this public health issue (If you could call casual drug use a public health issue) the powers that be seem to be unable to get off the warpath.

Education and harm reduction are just two ways we could drastically reduce the amount of people dead/in jail though drug abuse - take the recent overdoses of MDMA in the UK, because people aren't educated to understand that your first time taking drugs could be fatal if you aren't totally sure what you are taking is actually what you think it is e.g. PMA instead of MDMA and that the dosage you are taking is suitable for a first time user of drugs. Law enforcement would do better to look to attack the illegal drug trade higher up the chain than punishing and ruining the lifes of low importance users at the bottom of the chain.

"Drugs - Without The Hot Air" by Prof. David Nutt is excellent reading on this subject, highly recommend anyone interested in drug law/science picks it up.
The ****ing zookeeper could have just drugged me but no...
Original post by OfficialHarambe
The ****ing zookeeper could have just drugged me but no...


Triggered..... Just like the zookeeper


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Original post by KingBradly
But you're ignoring the actual point. Saying "drugs are for mugs" asserts that anyone who takes drugs is a "mug". Even if there was only one person ever who took drugs and was very smart, then this statement would therefore be false. But the reality is that there have been many very smart and talented people who have taken drugs, and that even in the general population, many many drug users are smart people. Take a look at this study http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/15/why-kids-with-high-iq-are-more-likely-to-take-drugs/


Lets follow that example for a second. Say half the world took drugs, half didn't. If only one person's life were positively influenced by drug use, and 3.5 billion other's lives were ruined by it, you'd tell me that "drugs are not for mugs"? In exactly the same way, a very small few are immune to HIV, so would you go on and say "have unprotected sex with random partners, these few people prove its not true that it's a bad thing to do"? And you're completely side-skirting the fact that insomnia and depression also positively correlate with IQ. Saying "drugs are for mugs" is false because smart people take them, is like saying "rape is for mugs" because smart people rape, or any statement to that effect really. Because you have the correlation backwards.
Original post by SirKyrgystan
Lets follow that example for a second. Say half the world took drugs, half didn't. If only one person's life were positively influenced by drug use, and 3.5 billion other's lives were ruined by it, you'd tell me that "drugs are not for mugs"? In exactly the same way, a very small few are immune to HIV, so would you go on and say "have unprotected sex with random partners, these few people prove its not true that it's a bad thing to do"? And you're completely side-skirting the fact that insomnia and depression also positively correlate with IQ. Saying "drugs are for mugs" is false because smart people take them, is like saying "rape is for mugs" because smart people rape, or any statement to that effect really. Because you have the correlation backwards.


Gosh, is this actually true?
People can do what they want as far as I'm concerned, as long as it's not harming anyone else.
It really depends on what drug we're talking about and how the person uses it. I love how people casually forget that alcohol is also a drug, probably because it's socially acceptable to drink it and it's legal. It's much easier for someone who smokes cannabis to lead a normal life when compared to a crystal meth user. The problem with drugs (and lots of other things) is that it's easy to get addicted and that's where it all goes downhill. The people you reference as drug users probably weren't addicts and just used drugs occasionally to get a kick out of it, or for whatever reason.
Original post by DicksOut4Haram
Gosh, is this actually true?


Yeah, can't say I know much about it other than it being due to some rare genetic cell mutation, but some (very few, really) people do have an immunity to HIV. Pretty dope eh?
Reply 53
You'd be very surprised as to who actually takes drugs
Reply 54
Original post by SirKyrgystan
Lets follow that example for a second. Say half the world took drugs, half didn't. If only one person's life were positively influenced by drug use, and 3.5 billion other's lives were ruined by it, you'd tell me that "drugs are not for mugs"? In exactly the same way, a very small few are immune to HIV, so would you go on and say "have unprotected sex with random partners, these few people prove its not true that it's a bad thing to do"? And you're completely side-skirting the fact that insomnia and depression also positively correlate with IQ. Saying "drugs are for mugs" is false because smart people take them, is like saying "rape is for mugs" because smart people rape, or any statement to that effect really. Because you have the correlation backwards.


Saying "rape is for mugs" is also false. If someone is a rapist it says little about their intelligence (as far as I know). As does drug using, except for the fact that studies do seem to show that drug users generally have slightly higher IQs, which at least measures a certain kind of intelligence.
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Reply 55
Original post by Electrospective
It really depends on what drug we're talking about and how the person uses it. I love how people casually forget that alcohol is also a drug, probably because it's socially acceptable to drink it and it's legal. It's much easier for someone who smokes cannabis to lead a normal life when compared to a crystal meth user. The problem with drugs (and lots of other things) is that it's easy to get addicted and that's where it all goes downhill. The people you reference as drug users probably weren't addicts and just used drugs occasionally to get a kick out of it, or for whatever reason.


Some of them were drug addicts, and they suffered from it.
Original post by KingBradly
Some of them were drug addicts, and they suffered from it.


That's not the best road to go down... :')
Yeah, I'm sure your typical drug gang are doing it for creative inspiration...
Original post by KingBradly
Anyone who says this phrase with any amount of seriousness is surely a philistine, an anti-intellectual, and someone severely lacking in knowledge. How can anyone claim this when Berlioz wrote at least a portion of his famous "Symphony Fantastique" whilst high on opium, Coleridge wrote the "Kubla Khan" after an opium influenced dream, Francis Crick used acid, Freud snorted large amounts of coke, Steve Jobs dropped acid, Robert Louis Stevenson wrote "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" on a six day coke binge, and there are countless other drug using geniuses like Baudelaire, Aldous Huxley, Philip K Dick, Hunter Thompson, William Burroughs, Ken Kesey, Jack Kerouac, David Bowie, Jimi Hendrix, Robert Plant, Charlie Parker, Martin Scorsese... the list is endless...

Forget mugs... Frauds.

I'm creative af without drugs could outdo them.
Original post by KingBradly
Anyone who says this phrase with any amount of seriousness is surely a philistine, an anti-intellectual, and someone severely lacking in knowledge. How can anyone claim this when Berlioz wrote at least a portion of his famous "Symphony Fantastique" whilst high on opium, Coleridge wrote the "Kubla Khan" after an opium influenced dream, Francis Crick used acid, Freud snorted large amounts of coke, Steve Jobs dropped acid, Robert Louis Stevenson wrote "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" on a six day coke binge, and there are countless other drug using geniuses like Baudelaire, Aldous Huxley, Philip K Dick, Hunter Thompson, William Burroughs, Ken Kesey, Jack Kerouac, David Bowie, Jimi Hendrix, Robert Plant, Charlie Parker, Martin Scorsese... the list is endless...


But when you apply it to the general population and in particular the youth of the socioeconomic poor. They use drugs because their life is truly unbearable and doing drugs is the only way they see to cope, "Smoke dope, can't cope". And think about the long term effects drugs such as weed has on the individual, it quite literally turns you into a dopey ****er and can over a prolonged period of time turn you psychotic.

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