All arts and social science students - lets fight back against this discrimination

I never claimed that science wasn't important. In fact, I think it's crucial and have nothing but respect for scientists.

Why can it never compare to science?

I never claimed that science wasn't important. In fact, I think it's crucial and have nothing but respect for scientists.

Why can it never compare to science?

Any degree from a uni in the top 20 is not a mickey mouse one. Employers look at what university you went to now, and then the class of degree you managed to get. I know someone working in the city with a 2:1 in chemistry from Bristol, I also know someone who has a similar job and paygrade level in the city who went to LSE to do International Relations, (she got a first). Employers want a good class of degree from a good university; most are not concerned in what the subject is in.

a bloke with 1 ear and a paintbrush, or a scientist calculating how much mass of an unstable isotope is needed for a nuclear reactor?

now tell me why they DO compare?

snobbery.. perhaps.

my main point was why the sciences arent asking for high grades. i think this is because not enough people are choosing to study them, hence lowering the standard might entice some 'undecided' people.

whereas theres lots of competition for the mor epopluar courses such as media studies, pysch, and basically most of what i call 'soft' subjects.

whilst one of dicken's books might be a good read, or michael angleo's paintings might be nice to look at, the fact is that neither did anything which 'improved' out living standards/understanding of the world etc etc.

einstein, planck, fermi, avogadro - these men are not half as popular as shakespear or whoever, yet shaped our world how it is today.

you seriously cannot think art is as important as science.

What a ill-informed statement. You have no idea how science works. Breakthrough discoveries don't just materialize by following a set of "pre-devised rules". All arts students seem unable to comprehend creativity that does not involve media.

Science is the art of Nature. It involves concepts and logic and doing things in a way that hasn't been done or tested before, therefore, if anything, it requires leaps in thinking.
Any conclusion is up for being proved wrong and facts are only ever accepted until new proof comes along.

On the flip side, the argument that there are no "rights" and "wrongs" in arts subjects is precisely what makes them friendlier engage in. Most 'arts' exams mainly require lengthy essays regurgitated from previously published work, topped with personal opinion and "argument". Since there is no "wrong" or major faults in thinking it is completly different to the way science questions are graded.
However, I find "essay subjects" more respectable than creative arts; where students are encouraged to study and be "inspired" by the work of famous people.
There are numerous examples of artists who are self-taught and find inspiration from the world around them, in contrast, its those who study art as a subject that seem like dull clones.

Yes, again, I don't think you've quite got it. Art is not a luxury, it never has been and it never will be. Whilst science fulfils the basic physical needs of mankind, it cannot always answer our questions. Humans think, and because science can't always give answers, we create art. You see art is just another way of expressing the base instincts of mankind - the need to know more and to understand the world. So when you say that art hasn't improved our living standards or understanding of the world, you seem to take art as something frivolous and unnecessary. As long as humans have the capability to think, they will create both art and science in the pursuit of knowledge. You might think one is more valuable than the other, but they actually go hand in hand.

So what you're saying is without art we'd all be burning, raping and pillaging each other?

i never thought about it that way before

People hurt me when they slag off Drama, saying its a Mickey Mouse subject - but it is the thing I excell at. Why would I do something like Physics, just to please the academic snobs, and then fail? No sense in that I say.

I don't care, the less popular language courses get, the more chance I have of getting in, woop!
Sorry that ^^ is a very selfish view
In all seriousness I agree that saying that arts courses are less useful than courses such as Medicine, Economics, Engineering ect is quite unfair. True we need doctors to survive and scientists to develop new technology, research fuels ect, but without arts degrees we wouldn't be able to communicate with other countries, produce new and exciting literature as well as exploring old ones or have such well designed buildings.

Do people describe Economics as useful? Really? I never thought it was useful.

People hurt me when they slag off Drama, saying its a Mickey Mouse subject - but it is the thing I excell at. Why would I do something like Physics, just to please the academic snobs, and then fail? No sense in that I say.

Drama is no doubt a subject that requires natural talent, and is something that I think most people have a respect for. However, I think the question is why would you do a degree in drama when there's lots of specialist HE qualifications in an environment that is much better for learning about theatre and acting - namely, theatre schools and theatres.

Nobody's begrudging you for studying the subject, but is it really a degree? What was so wrong about separating vocational qualifications from degrees?

That is such a good point and I'm glad you made it. I originally started A-levels but hated them, so I did a BTEC ND in Acting. My original plan was to go to drama school, because the training is second to none, after this but then I realised that I actually did want to go to University; I want to leave home, become more independant and get a degree. And I want to get a 1st.

But it has to be in Drama - whether people think its an actual degree or not. Because I don't want to do anything else, and probably wouldn't do as well.

I am with 100% certainty, going to do my masters at a drama school. I want to have my cake and eat it too.

Makes sense, I guess

Drama is a genuine art form, and universities do offer degrees in music, history of art, etc. I guess from that point of view, drama is far more acceptable than most "new" subjects as a degree, and it's hard to see why it wasn't originally offered at universities.

But thanks for shedding some light on that Best of luck at DMU! I might see you around Leicester ^_^