The Student Room Group

Little confused about the MRCP diploma in medicine

Hey guys,

I'm just a tad confused and would appreciate if anyone could clear this up for me!

I understand that after 2 foundation years training, you apply for specialist training [either run through jobs] or core medical/surgical training. What happens if you don't get onto either?

Also, when do you take the MRCP exam? Do you take it when you have completed ST posts or straight after the foundation years? I read somewhere you take the first part after the foundation years and the full exam later but I'm a tad confused!

Thanks :smile:
Reply 1
Firstly, you only take the MRCP if you want to become a physician. You can take Part 1 after FY1, or as soon after that as you feel ready. Having passed Part 1 is an advantage for specialty applications, but the fail rate is pretty high. You can then take Part 2 written any time after Part 1, and PACES (the practical) any time up to 7 years after passing Part 1, but if you want to progress you need to have passed by the time you're applying for registrar (ST3) jobs. If you want to do anything other than medicine (i.e. surgery, paeds, anaesthetics...) you have to take the relevant membership exams for those specialties, which all have their own slightly different schedule.

If you don't get your first choice of specialty/core training, either you take up an offer of an alternative, take a non-training post and reapply next year, or leave the country. There are probably more complicated options, but that's the gist of it.
Reply 2
Helenia
Firstly, you only take the MRCP if you want to become a physician. You can take Part 1 after FY1, or as soon after that as you feel ready. Having passed Part 1 is an advantage for specialty applications, but the fail rate is pretty high. You can then take Part 2 written any time after Part 1, and PACES (the practical) any time up to 7 years after passing Part 1, but if you want to progress you need to have passed by the time you're applying for registrar (ST3) jobs. If you want to do anything other than medicine (i.e. surgery, paeds, anaesthetics...) you have to take the relevant membership exams for those specialties, which all have their own slightly different schedule.

If you don't get your first choice of specialty/core training, either you take up an offer of an alternative, take a non-training post and reapply next year, or leave the country. There are probably more complicated options, but that's the gist of it.


Ahh okay thank you :smile:!
If you don't mind can you clear up a few terms? What do youu mean by physician exactly? What can you become without the qualification?

Also if surgery, paeds etc make up things other than medicine, what constitutes medicine?
Sorry, I'm lacking a bit of knowledge with the terms :o:
Reply 3
bob9001
Ahh okay thank you :smile:!
If you don't mind can you clear up a few terms? What do youu mean by physician exactly? What can you become without the qualification?

Also if surgery, paeds etc make up things other than medicine, what constitutes medicine?
Sorry, I'm lacking a bit of knowledge with the terms :o:

General Medicine is a bit of a catch-all term which is hard to define properly, but once you get into hospital medicine, it's one of those things you "just know." The simplest definition is that it's anything non-surgical. Generally it's used to apply to adults (though not always - I work in Paeds Medicine at the moment, for example). It encompasses system-specific specialties like cardiology, respiratory, renal, endocrinology etc, plus all those patients where we don't quite know what's wrong but need to send somewhere!

If you want to become a consultant in any of the above, plus any other medical specialties you care to think of, you will need to take MRCP. It used to be not unheard-of for people pursuing other specialties e.g. radiology and anaesthesia to also take at least Part 1 of the MRCP.
Reply 4
Helenia
General Medicine is a bit of a catch-all term which is hard to define properly, but once you get into hospital medicine, it's one of those things you "just know." The simplest definition is that it's anything non-surgical. Generally it's used to apply to adults (though not always - I work in Paeds Medicine at the moment, for example). It encompasses system-specific specialties like cardiology, respiratory, renal, endocrinology etc, plus all those patients where we don't quite know what's wrong but need to send somewhere!

If you want to become a consultant in any of the above, plus any other medical specialties you care to think of, you will need to take MRCP. It used to be not unheard-of for people pursuing other specialties e.g. radiology and anaesthesia to also take at least Part 1 of the MRCP.


Ahh I see thank you very much :biggrin: It's a lot clearer now! I have 2 interviews+BMAT in the space of 2 weeks so I'm kind of running around like a headless chicken doing lots of things at once! :o:
Reply 5
bob9001
Ahh I see thank you very much :biggrin: It's a lot clearer now! I have 2 interviews+BMAT in the space of 2 weeks so I'm kind of running around like a headless chicken doing lots of things at once! :o:

Then MRCP is probably fairly low down on what you need to be thinking about! All you need to know is that for career progression in the UK, you need to pass the membership exams for the college representing whichever specialty you want to end up in. I don't think more detail than that is essential.

Two interviews already is really good! Good luck!
Reply 6
Helenia
Then MRCP is probably fairly low down on what you need to be thinking about! All you need to know is that for career progression in the UK, you need to pass the membership exams for the college representing whichever specialty you want to end up in. I don't think more detail than that is essential.

Two interviews already is really good! Good luck!


Thank youuu :smile:
Sorry I have one last question! Do you have to pass the college exams when applying for consultant posts after speciality training or before speciality training?
Reply 7
bob9001
Thank youuu :smile:
Sorry I have one last question! Do you have to pass the college exams when applying for consultant posts after speciality training or before speciality training?

Most people will have passed it long before applying for consultant posts. It depends on the specialty as to when exactly you take it (MRCPCH for Paeds, for example, tends to be done later than the first stages of MRCP/S) but generally during the first few years of specialty training before you move onto registrar-level jobs.

Latest

Trending

Trending