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The Hack Trophy used to be for the premier UAS; because they'd all fight it out in flying competitions in their regions, then the highest overall scorer would be awarded it out of all of them.
Nowadays, it's for what? Doing the best paperwork? For a while, it was awarded to the UAS that sent the highest proportion of people in to IOT, which is also pointless.
Last time it meant anything was probably 1998/9, when the regional trophies were done for the last time.
Nowadays, it's for what? Doing the best paperwork? For a while, it was awarded to the UAS that sent the highest proportion of people in to IOT, which is also pointless.
Last time it meant anything was probably 1998/9, when the regional trophies were done for the last time.
Q_M
Just to point out last night at the EFTS dinner, YUAS won the Hack Trophy, again. The Hack Trophy is for the premier UAS - as I mentioned earlier. 
You really have drunk the UAS Kool Aid haven't you.
Q_M
Seemed relevant to me.
Well, it really isn't.
The only way you should decide which UAS you'd like to be on, is by deciding which university you want to go to. No point going to a rubbish uni, not liking a course or the area just so you can go to a particular UAS which, due to staff postings, may well change dramatically in less than 2 years.
Want to get on a UAS by all means, just choose your university first.
Drewski
Well, it really isn't.
The only way you should decide which UAS you'd like to be on, is by deciding which university you want to go to. No point going to a rubbish uni, not liking a course or the area just so you can go to a particular UAS which, due to staff postings, may well change dramatically in less than 2 years.
Want to get on a UAS by all means, just choose your university first.
The only way you should decide which UAS you'd like to be on, is by deciding which university you want to go to. No point going to a rubbish uni, not liking a course or the area just so you can go to a particular UAS which, due to staff postings, may well change dramatically in less than 2 years.
Want to get on a UAS by all means, just choose your university first.
*sigh*
Wzz
The Hack Trophy used to be for the premier UAS; because they'd all fight it out in flying competitions in their regions, then the highest overall scorer would be awarded it out of all of them.
Nowadays, it's for what? Doing the best paperwork? For a while, it was awarded to the UAS that sent the highest proportion of people in to IOT, which is also pointless.
Last time it meant anything was probably 1998/9, when the regional trophies were done for the last time.
Nowadays, it's for what? Doing the best paperwork? For a while, it was awarded to the UAS that sent the highest proportion of people in to IOT, which is also pointless.
Last time it meant anything was probably 1998/9, when the regional trophies were done for the last time.
They still do the flying competitions?
Why is awarding the trophy to the UAS getting the highest proportion into IOT pointless?
Q_M
Why is awarding the trophy to the UAS getting the highest proportion into IOT pointless?
Why is awarding the trophy to the UAS getting the highest proportion into IOT pointless?
Have a think about it. What is the relationship between sources of quality on the UAS (almost entirely the staff) versus success at IOT? How many people would be strong IOT candidates anyway? How many UAS populations are biased by preselected students, specialist/relevant courses, very high entry standards because of large student populations etc?
If there is no clear, qualitative improvement made by being a member of a specific UAS, then why should an award be made?
Q_M
The sigh was because at no point did I say you should choose a UAS rather than a uni.
No, you didn't, but the way this conversation was heading was essentially "I want to get in to the RAF, therefore I want the best UAS, therefore I have to go to x university". I wanted to stop that train of thought in anyone else.
As for the flying competitions... they still exist, but it's nothing like they used to be. Even while I was at uni the 'north of England' flying comp [MASUAS, LUAS, YUAS and NUAS] lost members - NUAS joined the Scottish sqns in an annual comp - and changed format quite markedly. And there was no 'after'. The winning team would just be the winner, they wouldn't go fight it out with other regional winners. Shame.
Drewski
No, you didn't, but the way this conversation was heading was essentially "I want to get in to the RAF, therefore I want the best UAS, therefore I have to go to x university". I wanted to stop that train of thought in anyone else.
I swear people look for arguements on this forum. Its starting to look like sodding pprune.
I didnt say that, I wasnt thinking it, I didnt advise it.
Q_M
I swear people look for arguements on this forum. Its starting to look like sodding pprune.
I didnt say that, I wasnt thinking it, I didnt advise it.
I didnt say that, I wasnt thinking it, I didnt advise it.
Q_M ... we know you weren't. You said all the way back in post 4 that you hoped the OP wasn't choosing a university on the basis of a UAS. Drewski is saying the same thing. He's already said he didn't think you were saying that. You agree with each other. All he was doing was reiterating the point. That really isn't picking an argument.
What format do the regional trophies take now? There used to be a spot landing competition with 3 pilots from each squadron, a LL navex with a recce task and a TOT at base, and an individual aeros competition. The aeros used to be done at low level, then it was bumped up to 5000ft, then it was replaced with a precision formation competition, then it came back again, but assessed by an instructor flying with you rather than from the ground.
They stopped, as far as I was aware, when the Tutor came in due to a lack of hours for it.
They stopped, as far as I was aware, when the Tutor came in due to a lack of hours for it.
I can only speak for the 'North of England' contest - the Reid Trophy - but that is still the format. Spot Landings, navex and aeros (done from 500ft with an impartial instructor in the Tutor with you) and an additional 'ground knowledge' quiz, encompassing all aspects of UAS-life (RAF history, aircraft knowledge, Tutor tech details, nav/mapreading, etc).
Wzz
What format do the regional trophies take now? There used to be a spot landing competition with 3 pilots from each squadron, a LL navex with a recce task and a TOT at base, and an individual aeros competition. The aeros used to be done at low level, then it was bumped up to 5000ft, then it was replaced with a precision formation competition, then it came back again, but assessed by an instructor flying with you rather than from the ground.
They stopped, as far as I was aware, when the Tutor came in due to a lack of hours for it.
They stopped, as far as I was aware, when the Tutor came in due to a lack of hours for it.
Correct. All irrelevent now as spot landings are considered 'inappropriate' to teach, low level isn't taught let alone IP to Tgt.
And now the tutor is making people deaf I hear... what a load of tosh.
The UBAS, LUAS, EMUAS, CUAS competetion, or the Dehaviland flying compition still follows the same format as described above. Though was cancelled this year because of the ash clouds. Hmmm because that was in the tutors operating limit 
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