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Cambridge graduate applicants 2011/12

Q: "Aaak, I've been waiting for months, why is the decision taking so long?"
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Original post by threeportdrift
Because BoGS took your application into a long, process driven system and it got held up in a back-log

and didn't arrive at the department until [the Christmas break, the week the dept secretary was away ill etc]

which meant it missed being put in front of the fixed degree committee meeting.

The Secretary then decided to get approval from [the chair of the degree committee] to forward your application directly to a relevant potential Supervisor,

although it took a fortnight for the Chair to [come back off leave, answer the email, return from an overseas conference etc].

Then the first Supervisor took 3 weeks to read your application and make a conclusion because they [had a tricky bunch of undergrads to teach, had a new lecture series to write, was doing their own research]

they reported back that your application had a lot of potential, but they could not supervise because [they were leaving, they had too many students already, they were writing/publishing a book next autumn etc] and they did/didn't suggest an alternative.

The Secretary/degree committee took a week to think up a new potential Supervisor and send off your application again.

The second potential Supervisor was away [on a conference, having a baby, writing the final chapter to their book, trying to get out of North Africa in one piece, doing fieldwork in Outer Mongolia etc] and takes 4 weeks to make a decision and report back to the degree committee.

Your application then waits a couple of weeks with the degree committee until they meet to compare notes on applicants and comments to check they are making fair and equal decisions.

Then your application is sent back to BoGS for confirmation and the change to CAMSIS, where it joins a queue of several thousand other applications waiting for the same.

Eventually it gets to the top of the pile and CAMSIS is changed to reflect the decision.

You might get an earlier decision if a) the dept does not have a rigid rule against pre-empting BoGS and b) someone in the dept has the time and resources to email you directly and c) your supervisor is in the dept and OKs the message.

Simples :smile:


Quoted for use as a referent to other impatient/worried applicants in the future.
(edited 13 years ago)

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This may be long, but any help you can give me will be very gratefully received!

First, a little background:

Having suffered from severe depression for several years, my IB grades suffered at school and although I got into my second choice uni, eventually through clearing, Southampton, it's still not a *top* top uni. At school I was originally put on the Oxbridge programme to set me up for applying, but was removed when my work was markedly below par, due to my illness.

At GCSE, I got 6 A*s and 5As, and at IB I got a total overall of 34 (which is a lot worse than I know I could have done had I been well).

Anyway after two years at Southampton studying Geology, my depression got so bad a year ago that I was forced to take a year out to get well. I had never sought help for it before, but now I have I really feel so much better than I ever have done, and I'm looking at applying for a masters year at Cambridge beginning in 2011. I am already accepted onto the masters year at Southampton for my degree, so if I don't get in I do have a second option, as it were.

When I left I was working at a low 2:1 level. The minimum Cambridge asks for is a 2:1, so I know I was working at their minimum level.

This year however I really hope to push up my final grade - I don't know if I can achieve a first, but I'd like to try!

During my year out I first worked at a local supermarket, and worked my way up to Duty Manager in 3 months, but due to issues with the Manager, I left there in June and have since been working with an accounting and financial services company.

Now the courses I'm looking at applying for at Cambridge are: Real Estate Finance, Environmental Policy, Engineering for Sustainable Development, Planning Regrowth and Regeneration, Environmental Science and finally Archaeology (the odd one out, and I very much doubt I'll get it, but it is something that I really love - I took optional Archaeological modules at Southampton and I want to specialise in Archaeological Science, which my Geology degree would be very well geared towards). As for the other courses, I would like to expand on my current work, and I am extremely interested in environmental development and policy.

I have declared my depression in my applications, but I feel like such a mediocre student next to the ones Cambridge would normally take. I know the worst they can do is say no, and I may as well go for it, but honestly, am I wasting my time or do I have a chance?
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They're deeply unlikely to look at your school grades or your job history, but they will be interested in your transcript/references etc. You might like to ask your referees to explain your mitigating circumstances in their references. That said, if your transcript is currently a low 2.1, have you thought about applying in 2011 after you've graduated? If you apply for 2011 entry (ie. in November/December) your transcript is unlikely to show any improvement - but if you pull it up to a high 2.1/first in your final year and apply with that in hand, I would say you'll stand a much better chance.
Thankyou for the reply :smile:

One of my referees will be my tutor at Southampton, and he obviously knows about the problems I've been having and is well-placed to assess my abilities. I don't currently have a second academical reference, that will be something I have to discuss with my tutor when university begins in October.

I hadn't actually thought about waiting til after graduation to apply, it's certainly something to bear in mind :smile: though I do think I will apply this year as well - I have already taken one unplanned year out of my education, and if possible I don't want to take any more.
Reply 4
Cambridge usually asks for a high 2:1 (67%). But if you explained your mitigating circumstances in your application, that's at least something I suppose. If you are worried about not getting the results, like Ilex says, maybe try applying after graduation? At least then you'd know straightaway.

Good luck though!
IlexAquifolium
They're deeply unlikely to look at your school grades or your job history, but they will be interested in your transcript/references etc. You might like to ask your referees to explain your mitigating circumstances in their references. That said, if your transcript is currently a low 2.1, have you thought about applying in 2011 after you've graduated? If you apply for 2011 entry (ie. in November/December) your transcript is unlikely to show any improvement - but if you pull it up to a high 2.1/first in your final year and apply with that in hand, I would say you'll stand a much better chance.

Do Cambridge, specifically JBS, care for work experience? I have a high 2.1/borderline First if I maintain my current grade, but 4 internships all of them being at large financial organisations and one in a government department. Would my chances be fairly low as I haven't achieved a good First?
prospectivEEconomist
Do Cambridge, specifically JBS, care for work experience? I have a high 2.1/borderline First if I maintain my current grade, but 4 internships all of them being at large financial organisations and one in a government department. Would my chances be fairly low as I haven't achieved a good First?


JBS I couldn't say although I would assume so - business/applied economics seems to be somewhat different. In my field it's not really important unless you've say worked in parliament or have a substantial working track record that in some way is equivalent to degree level study. I honestly couldn't tell you your chances - but from what I've seen of JBS applicants a high 2.1 with financial experience should put you in a competitive position at least. Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer.
IlexAquifolium
JBS I couldn't say although I would assume so - business/applied economics seems to be somewhat different. In my field it's not really important unless you've say worked in parliament or have a substantial working track record that in some way is equivalent to degree level study. I honestly couldn't tell you your chances - but from what I've seen of JBS applicants a high 2.1 with financial experience should put you in a competitive position at least. Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer.

Thanks for replying. I also wanted to apply for the Environmental Policy course, and they say environmental experience is very helpful; would an internship at the Ministry of Energy (abroad, not UK) be deemed relevant? I worked on an environmental clearance project.

Another question, is working at the Ministry of Energy technically a civil service job? I'm confused as they don't have a civil service fast track scheme like in the UK :s-smilie:.
prospectivEEconomist
Thanks for replying. I also wanted to apply for the Environmental Policy course, and they say environmental experience is very helpful; would an internship at the Ministry of Energy be deemed relevant? I worked on an environmental clearance project.


I presume so, no harm in mentioning it at all. (I guess what I was trying to get across to the OP is that having worked full stop isn't relevant, it's only relevant if it's given you some kind of real-world insight into the issues raised on the course).
IlexAquifolium
I presume so, no harm in mentioning it at all. (I guess what I was trying to get across to the OP is that having worked full stop isn't relevant, it's only relevant if it's given you some kind of real-world insight into the issues raised on the course).


Well given that Environmental Policy, Real Estate Finance etc have a large economic and finance focus, I would have thought that my accounting and finance work would be relevant (maybe)? On top of which I've spent a lot of time studying the environmental side of geology on my course.
Lil Piranha
Well given that Environmental Policy, Real Estate Finance etc have a large economic and finance focus, I would have thought that my accounting and finance work would be relevant (maybe)? On top of which I've spent a lot of time studying the environmental side of geology on my course.


The latter is totally relevant, obviously - I was just thinking of stuff like working in a supermarket, which has no bearing on a postgrad application at all, really.
IlexAquifolium
The latter is totally relevant, obviously - I was just thinking of stuff like working in a supermarket, which has no bearing on a postgrad application at all, really.


Oh fair enough - I wasn't going to push my work in a supermarket anyway :P but I hope that the work I'm currently doing will help demonstrate my interest and commitment to this area.
Lil Piranha
Oh fair enough - I wasn't going to push my work in a supermarket anyway :P but I hope that the work I'm currently doing will help demonstrate my interest and commitment to this area.


Sure. The thing to emphasize is your academic experience and engagement - but if you can demonstrate this through work also then that's fine. :smile: The important thing is that PG personal statements should have hardly anything extra-curricular without good reason (such as explaining your motivations).
Lil Piranha
Well given that Environmental Policy, Real Estate Finance etc have a large economic and finance focus, I would have thought that my accounting and finance work would be relevant (maybe)? On top of which I've spent a lot of time studying the environmental side of geology on my course.

Which company (or type of company if you don't want to disclose name) did you get your finance experience in?
prospectivEEconomist
Which company (or type of company if you don't want to disclose name) did you get your finance experience in?


It's a (fairly) small Financial Directing Service. The main clients I have been working with are Office & General Ltd (based in London) and Sansetsu UK in Milton Keynes. I started off with fairly simple tasks, ie credit control and management and now I've progressed up into minor accounting e.g P&Ls, account managing, balancing. I'm just about to start my biggest project yet, because we're going to buy out a highly inefficient company that Sansetsu formerly worked with and basically gut it and start over. So soon I'll be getting my first proper taste of financial management, rather than just accounts...
Hey everyone, is anyone else applying for Cambridge having a bit of an issue with the funding section of the Cambridge online application form (GRADSAF). I want to apply for the Gates Scholarship, CHESS and also the AHRC, but on the online version of the form it only lets you select one? Is there some trick I am missing, I've tried holding down CTRL but doesn't seem to work.

Also, anyone know if you have to send in multiple copies of the personal reference for GATES? The Board of Graduate Studies asks for two copies of all supporting documentation, I assume that includes the GATES reference? (Will be applying for a History MPhil by the way!).
Reply 16
It's for this reason I filled in the paper form :o: I hated the online version. You could try calling the Board of Graduate Studies.

One point though - if you're eligible for Gates, how are you also eligible for AHRC? I thought they were mutually exclusive.
Thanks Athena, I may just go the paper route in that case :o:

As regards Gates/AHRC, I am an EU citizen but not British. Thus there is an EU competition as part of Gates, and EU citizens can also receive fees-only awards from the AHRC. Hence me trying to apply for everything possible!!
Reply 18
I will rename this the Cambridge application thread for this cycle, if you don't mind, so everyone can ask and answer questions here :smile:
(edited 13 years ago)
Go right ahead, it's such a confusing process that any help is much appreciated! :smile:

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