If you are modern religous person..

As for believing in Jesus to be saved, that is made very clear in the Bible and I do not see how it can be interpreted in another way. If you choose not to literally interpret such clear messages then why literally interpret any of the Bible? Why even believe in Christ if you are going to chop and change the religion to fit you?

It is how you live you life that determines whether you get to heaven or hell. There is no point in thinking I believe in God and then drink, smoke do drugs, kill and rape everyone and think just because you believe in the "right" god you will go to heaven.

Could you maybe list a few passages where you think it is clear that you must have an explicit personal belief in and acceptance of the historical person of Jesus Christ to be saved? Because I'm not at all sure that it is clear. (Also how would you interpret 'saved'? Do you not think there is the opportunity of post mortem conversion? Besides the biblical evidence for this, I find it hard to imagine how a god of love without limits could set a limit to forgiveness at death, especially if in the end everyone will realise the reality of God. Would God just say "Sorry, you had your chance"?)

P.S. Personally coming to a position of universalism wasn't exactly to fit me - when I first realised the alarming potential of such a view my reaction was something more like horror and I tried to forget it. Which is weird, you'd think I'd have been ecstatic...

here's a passage:
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 10: 9-10

Sorry I should have said ONLY by a personal belief in and acceptance of Jesus...

Romans 10:9 as mentioned earlier and

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

These passages do not state that you only have to beieve in Jesus but they do state that it is one of the requirements, thus upholding my point that the Bible says only believers in Jesus can enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Im sure that you take great pride in saying that you have your own personla beliefs and you are tolerant of people of all other cultures and faiths, and you may even have numerous friends in those alt categories.

Now while thats all fine and well I bring up the fact that if you are a christian with a muslim freind (or vice versa) you have to live with the fact that your friend doesnt matter how long you have known him/her is going to go to hell simply because they belive in 'the wrong god'

How can you call yourself a loving christian when you have the belief that innocent people of other faiths are going to spend thier afterlives burning in agony?


I await for your rationalisation of this topic.

but if a drug dealer who has been poisining and killing people for most of his life decides to attend church and seek atonement he can be an ******* for the rest of his life as long as he confesses before he dies.

Im sure that you take great pride in saying that you have your own personla beliefs and you are tolerant of people of all other cultures and faiths, and you may even have numerous friends in those alt categories.

Now while thats all fine and well I bring up the fact that if you are a christian with a muslim freind (or vice versa) you have to live with the fact that your friend doesnt matter how long you have known him/her is going to go to hell simply because they belive in 'the wrong god'

How can you call yourself a loving christian when you have the belief that innocent people of other faiths are going to spend thier afterlives burning in agony?


I await for your rationalisation of this topic.