funding a second degree

But a criminal record would not look good on your CV, which, if you're caught and charged with fraud (which SF do, maybe not whilst your studying, even years later) will happen.

I didn't ignore it - what I was referring to is that you could slip through the net but then it might well be picked up on later. And that isn't true: there's a number of exception courses where you can receive the maintenance loan (and supplementary grants if applicable) if you're doing them as a second degree such as social work, medicine, dentistry, architecture. For postgraduate initial teacher training you can get all the same full support as an undergraduate.

Apart from the moral impliations, wouldn't it be a pain in the a*** to pay back all that money if you were caught? It would be done as a payment plan, too, as the loan is being reclaimed as an overpayment, and so would not be subject to the favourable repayment terms of a loan you've received and kept. You can go ahead arguing all you want, but lying on an application is fraud. The terms and conditions of the loan state this. Don't do it.

I agree that it is wrong for them to limit people to just one degree. Funding should be given for a second degree as many teenagers fresh out of high school do not really know what they should or want to study and are forced to go into higher education no matter what.
Everyone is entitled to education and money should not be a barrier.

How can some people be so ignorant and disagree with that?

Valid points, but it's a recession and there's a line of argument that people with direction, maturity and a good 1st degree are valued over those having to re-enter higher education.

And if we're being brutally honest, most people in this position are doing a 2nd degree to not face the grim reality's of working life, rather than a real passion and determination for a given degree.

^^^ And I say that as a relatively bright person who didn't do himself proud in his degree, either. I accept I have those big flaws and so will face the world head on.

or to actually do a second degree because their first degree has zero job prospects due to the changing economy. When i started my degree 7 years ago, funding for research was at its peak - now with all the cuts research jobs are hard to come by. The only real secure jobs are medicine, pharmacy, vet science and only the former is funded. is pharmacy any less important? not really which is why i'd have to take out a private bank loan if i wanted to do it. I don't think most people are taking 2nd degrees just to avoid working. I'd rather have cash in my pocket and a job than do another 4-5 years at uni.

You're right in that you won't be subject to ELQ fees, but the normal formula will apply in determining how many years funding you can have.

Unless it's Pharmacy. Even though Pharmacy is an undergraduate masters it's considered a bachelors for ELQ purposes.

yes thats harsh and the whole point in my thread as i wanted 2 do pharm as my 2nd degree no funding for yr 1 either as it would be classed as a foundation year since i dont have chemistry a level. oh well.........dreams destroyed due to bad decisions made at the age of 17!! you live, you learn.