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badgerbadger
Why do people continue to seize upon easy targets in an attempt to show everyone how liberal they are? It's such an obvious thing to do: someone posts about an almost universally-despised group without obviously despising them, and everyone else leaps in to remind the poster how much the group is despised. He's quite clearly heard it before and was anticipating your response. Is it an excuse to make dramatic sweeping statements in a way that is seen as 'legitimate'? I'm not suggesting the BNP don't deserve all the vehement criticism they get, but I do wonder why people retread the same territory time and time again as though no-one had done it before, as though they were some sort of brave pioneer. Might it not make more of an impact to criticise a group which ISN'T already beyond criticism?
Also, denying the BNP are present in Nottingham isn't helpful to your cause; it makes it look like you need to use false information to be convincing, which you don't, because so many people are already convinced without knowing anything about the BNP.
You might not like his beliefs (whatever they may be), but using inflammatory language loses you the moral highground to some extent: replace "BNP" with "foreigners" in many of your posts and they start to look similar to the BNPs own breand of extremism. Absolutist statements such as "You cant conceal the fact that the BNP is unbelievable scum, a source of deep hypocracy and ignorance" (sorry to single you out, I just picked the last post)suggest the criticism is emotive rather than logic-based (which it doesn't have to be, considering how much material there is for you to use in your criticism).
Also, denying the BNP are present in Nottingham isn't helpful to your cause; it makes it look like you need to use false information to be convincing, which you don't, because so many people are already convinced without knowing anything about the BNP.
You might not like his beliefs (whatever they may be), but using inflammatory language loses you the moral highground to some extent: replace "BNP" with "foreigners" in many of your posts and they start to look similar to the BNPs own breand of extremism. Absolutist statements such as "You cant conceal the fact that the BNP is unbelievable scum, a source of deep hypocracy and ignorance" (sorry to single you out, I just picked the last post)suggest the criticism is emotive rather than logic-based (which it doesn't have to be, considering how much material there is for you to use in your criticism).
Thank you for your well constructed report! This may seem as a shock, but i wasnt writing an essay
and so therefore i wasnt going to present my argument logicaly, with evidence, dates, names, and futher 'material' . I am simply annoyed by the policies of the BNP and wanted to express this. I do agree with you however about the language i did use - i see if that was addressed to another minority group it would not have been seen as horrible. It was not an attack on the poeple in the BNP personaly , i do however still feel that the policies presented by BNP is full of hipocracy and ignorance. It premotes segregation of cultures, as well having no logic concerning the economical benifts and disadvatages what so ever. And it is not just the BNP this applies to many extremist groups (that we are not discussing here).
Sorry if i offended any loyal BNP members -its my opinion about policies presented by a certain political party-
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No way?!
**noooni**: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm
There's absolutely nothing in there that doesn't make sense. If you're still confused, pop me a PM (don't ruin the thread) and I'll try to answer your questions.
And no, it didn't seem like 'an attack on the people in the BNP personally' at all
No way?! **noooni**: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm
There's absolutely nothing in there that doesn't make sense. If you're still confused, pop me a PM (don't ruin the thread) and I'll try to answer your questions.
And no, it didn't seem like 'an attack on the people in the BNP personally' at all
Aristogeiton
^ No way?!
**noooni**: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm
There's absolutely nothing in there that doesn't make sense. If you're still confused, pop me a PM (don't ruin the thread) and I'll try to answer your questions.
And no, it didn't seem like 'an attack on the people in the BNP personally' at all
No way?! **noooni**: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm
There's absolutely nothing in there that doesn't make sense. If you're still confused, pop me a PM (don't ruin the thread) and I'll try to answer your questions.
And no, it didn't seem like 'an attack on the people in the BNP personally' at all
To be honest it's not the website that turns me off the BNP mate, it's the scumbags who are all over the party, whether it be event management - or just representatives... all tainted in their own way.
Note to self: Politicians are all the same
Beekeeper: if my warning level wasn't 10 I'd tell you what you should do...
Not really; the media singles out a few of the ones with criminal records etc and then makes a huge deal out of it. We have over 1m members - almost all are perfectly decent citizens.
damn, this is going off topic.
JonnyB
To be honest it's not the website that turns me off the BNP mate, it's the scumbags who are all over the party, whether it be event management - or just representatives... all tainted in their own way.
Note to self: Politicians are all the same
Note to self: Politicians are all the same
Not really; the media singles out a few of the ones with criminal records etc and then makes a huge deal out of it. We have over 1m members - almost all are perfectly decent citizens.
damn, this is going off topic.
Aristogeiton
Beekeeper: if my warning level wasn't 10 I'd tell you what you should do...
Not really; the media singles out a few of the ones with criminal records etc and then makes a huge deal out of it. We have over 1m members - almost all are perfectly decent citizens.
damn, this is going off topic.
Not really; the media singles out a few of the ones with criminal records etc and then makes a huge deal out of it. We have over 1m members - almost all are perfectly decent citizens.
damn, this is going off topic.
Of course it's going off topic, you are discussing the BNP on The Student Room!
Well, it's a mixture of what you should do and what I'd do to you. 
And no, I'm not going to post.
And no, I'm not going to post.hahaha! 
I knew you'd do that - can't you be a little more original?
I knew you'd do that - can't you be a little more original?uh huh, that makes perfect sense.
A question for the BNP member:
Why does your Party seem to bash only the communists and the socialists?
Yet on your website all you whine on about other than minorities is workers rights and those 'big corporations that rip you off'.
Since you share so little in common with tory principles, perhaps you ought to distance yourself away from our Party?
Why does your Party seem to bash only the communists and the socialists?
Yet on your website all you whine on about other than minorities is workers rights and those 'big corporations that rip you off'.
Since you share so little in common with tory principles, perhaps you ought to distance yourself away from our Party?
well if my post was interpreted as an attempt to be the most liberal of them all or something, it most certainly wasn't intended as that. Just a bit of fun and pointing out that at least in the uni and immediate local area he wouldn't find any support.
I find the far right somewhat odd. I can understand it when some bonehead just listens to racist rhetoric and instantly believes it, but when you get people who can at least conduct themselves in a vaguely coherent matter I'm quite surprised. I guess the best way of describing myself is as a civil libertarian so when I read all the anti-homosexual stuff I can't help but wonder why they give two hoots about it. They don't affect anyone or damage anything so why persecute them and turn them into scapegoats. If anything they're likely to contribute more economically to society since they're very very unlikely to be claiming child benefits, sending kids to state schools or anything like that and instead will have more spare income to spend and help the economy. And the race based stuff? How the heck do you repatriate a guy who's half-black, half-white and has grown up in south London? Send him to Africa!!? And what for? So he doesn't dirty the "racial purity" of the British Isles? What racial purity? We've got bits of celt, roman, viking and norman to name a few in all white Brits who claim to be purely British. And why allow white immigrants but not any other colour? Surely they will "ruin" British culture just as much as any other coloured immigrant with their own customs? The BNP's ideas on race are both illogical and impractical. The BNP's manifesto is full of talk of banning things, excluding people and withdrawing from the rest of the world, hardly fighting for freedoms now is it?
Unless of course that is what the far right wants. A government that pokes its nose into the business of everybody and tells people what they can or cannot do in their own homes.
I find the far right somewhat odd. I can understand it when some bonehead just listens to racist rhetoric and instantly believes it, but when you get people who can at least conduct themselves in a vaguely coherent matter I'm quite surprised. I guess the best way of describing myself is as a civil libertarian so when I read all the anti-homosexual stuff I can't help but wonder why they give two hoots about it. They don't affect anyone or damage anything so why persecute them and turn them into scapegoats. If anything they're likely to contribute more economically to society since they're very very unlikely to be claiming child benefits, sending kids to state schools or anything like that and instead will have more spare income to spend and help the economy. And the race based stuff? How the heck do you repatriate a guy who's half-black, half-white and has grown up in south London? Send him to Africa!!? And what for? So he doesn't dirty the "racial purity" of the British Isles? What racial purity? We've got bits of celt, roman, viking and norman to name a few in all white Brits who claim to be purely British. And why allow white immigrants but not any other colour? Surely they will "ruin" British culture just as much as any other coloured immigrant with their own customs? The BNP's ideas on race are both illogical and impractical. The BNP's manifesto is full of talk of banning things, excluding people and withdrawing from the rest of the world, hardly fighting for freedoms now is it?
Unless of course that is what the far right wants. A government that pokes its nose into the business of everybody and tells people what they can or cannot do in their own homes.
From the website ;
"To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons."
'native britons?' what about everyone else who is just as well qualified?? How is this in anyway fair?. No offence to anyone but if you've got the qualifications/experience then you get the Job regardless of your Britishness.
''We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. ''
words cannot describe how i feel about this statment. This is exactly what i mean by hypocracy, years and years of living off cheaper food and cloths because we have taken advbantage of these 'incompetent' states, and what financial aid has Briton provided? very little, the most of the time the aid comes from national charities rather than goverment anyway! What the hell happened to everyone having responsibily for each other, those 'curropt' states did not drive themselves into the situation they are in, it is a result of being neglected by the world for so long. No education , no medicine, no food, no homes, because they have been given NO chance by other greedy states. So many things have been missed out like unjustified trade with undeveloped countries - or on the immigration section- how just as many brits leave Briton and start a more 'exotic' life abroad- spain /france/ and so so many end up with the best jobs in the Middle east, treated with respect by natives of those countries - just because of the pretty red passport we carry.
I am too tiered to comment on the rest of that website. I see however some pleasent points - like how you want pensioners to live comfortably
Nevertheless everything else sounds like your politicians are stuck in a Hardy Novel in between the trees and the birds, just the good old country folk! The world is not like that anymore, it is this mis-understanding of the world that causes anger at the BNP
"To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons."
'native britons?' what about everyone else who is just as well qualified?? How is this in anyway fair?. No offence to anyone but if you've got the qualifications/experience then you get the Job regardless of your Britishness.
''We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. ''
words cannot describe how i feel about this statment. This is exactly what i mean by hypocracy, years and years of living off cheaper food and cloths because we have taken advbantage of these 'incompetent' states, and what financial aid has Briton provided? very little, the most of the time the aid comes from national charities rather than goverment anyway! What the hell happened to everyone having responsibily for each other, those 'curropt' states did not drive themselves into the situation they are in, it is a result of being neglected by the world for so long. No education , no medicine, no food, no homes, because they have been given NO chance by other greedy states. So many things have been missed out like unjustified trade with undeveloped countries - or on the immigration section- how just as many brits leave Briton and start a more 'exotic' life abroad- spain /france/ and so so many end up with the best jobs in the Middle east, treated with respect by natives of those countries - just because of the pretty red passport we carry.
I am too tiered to comment on the rest of that website. I see however some pleasent points - like how you want pensioners to live comfortably
Nevertheless everything else sounds like your politicians are stuck in a Hardy Novel in between the trees and the birds, just the good old country folk! The world is not like that anymore, it is this mis-understanding of the world that causes anger at the BNP
Beekeeper
Badger: THIS is a BNP member, memorize it.
Beekeeper, you have a huge, huge chip on your shoulder for no reason at all. I'm willing to bet you don't have any first-hand experience with the BNP or their membership. You're the product of government brainwashing.
You have your opinions and thats fine, just stop trying to force your hate and lies upon other people. The BNP is not what you say it is -- end of.
cosmik_debris
Beekeeper, you have a huge, huge chip on your shoulder for no reason at all. I'm willing to bet you don't have any first-hand experience with the BNP or their membership. You're the product of government brainwashing.
You have your opinions and thats fine, just stop trying to force your hate and lies upon other people. The BNP is not what you say it is -- end of.
You have your opinions and thats fine, just stop trying to force your hate and lies upon other people. The BNP is not what you say it is -- end of.
I went to a protest not long ago against the BNP and shouted "scum" into their faces, which was great fun. What I found most amusing is that the BNP had a huge banner with a George Orwell quote on it, BIG mistake.
I also recall far-right people like yourself holding a banner that said 'Keep Section 28' which pissed me off.
The BNP really needs to play catch-up as it is seriously lagging behind public opinion, and when I see someone holding a 'keep section 28' banner I feel like ramming it down their throats.
My opinions of the BNP are based on two things:
- First hand experience
- Your policies and your website
Don't even try to make out that I am some gullable blind follower who will believe anything Tony and his cronies splash out. If you knew me any better you would understand that I don't work like that.
Beekeeper
I went to a protest not long ago against the BNP and shouted "scum" into their faces, which was great fun. What I found most amusing is that the BNP had a huge banner with a George Orwell quote on it, BIG mistake.
I also recall far-right people like yourself holding a banner that said 'Keep Section 28' which pissed me off.
The BNP really needs to play catch-up as it is seriously lagging behind public opinion, and when I see someone holding a 'keep section 28' banner I feel like ramming it down their throats.
My opinions of the BNP are based on two things:
- First hand experience
- Your policies and your website
Don't even try to make out that I am some gullable blind follower who will believe anything Tony and his cronies splash out. If you knew me any better you would understand that I don't work like that.
I also recall far-right people like yourself holding a banner that said 'Keep Section 28' which pissed me off.
The BNP really needs to play catch-up as it is seriously lagging behind public opinion, and when I see someone holding a 'keep section 28' banner I feel like ramming it down their throats.
My opinions of the BNP are based on two things:
- First hand experience
- Your policies and your website
Don't even try to make out that I am some gullable blind follower who will believe anything Tony and his cronies splash out. If you knew me any better you would understand that I don't work like that.
Yes, so I recall, the very protest I discussed here. We're not your average opportunist political party like your LibLabCon etc. We will not lie to please the public, so forget 'public opinion' (althout we believe the majority of White Britons agree with what we have to say, but that's neither here nor there).
Regarding Section 28 etc... that's fine. You don't agree with what we say, okay, but quit all the "nazi hitler-worshipping, racist thugs that go around beating up Asians and Jews" lies and hatred because that's not what we are. Can you honestly tell me that you thought the people you saw at said protest were these suited, poppy-selling, racist thugs?
And what first-hand experience do you have with the BNP?
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