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  1. Schteve's Avatar
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    Think I got 72/75 in C3 going by Arsey's solutions, so need about 65-68 on this to get an A*... Am bricking it

    Good luck everyone!
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    Good luck to everyone. High probability i will screw up =/. I hope they gave simple differential equations - nothing too tricky -_-
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by Sarah456)
    Good luck to everyone. High probability i will screw up =/. I hope they gave simple differential equations - nothing too tricky -_-
    Lol exactly what im thinking. Simple vectors as well please
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by -Illmatic-)
    Lol exactly what im thinking. Simple vectors as well please
    A big chance we won't be getting a simple differential equation as the last two years - they were pretty simple. I find vectors comparably alot easier..but yeah, its usually the last part for me, which really kicks me...Damn you C4..-__-and C3...but not as much. =/
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    Which solomon papers did you find the hardest? I'll give them a go.
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    Last minute question!
    If you have a line, say (1,2,3) + lambda(2,0,1) and you want to find the coordinates of a point on the line, which you know to be perpendicular (from the line to the origin) how would you work out it's coordinates?
    I thought you would dot product (x,y,z) and (2,0,1) and then get: 2x+z=0. Then I would sub in random numbers, like x=2, to find z=-4, to get (2,0,-1), but this isn't correct apparently. :-S
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    do you know the correct answer
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by anjelofernando)
    do you know the correct answer
    Sorry, I missed out that there's another point, A, on the line, (1,2,3).
    But then, say you let the point where the line is perp. to the origin be F, then it has coordinates (x,y,z).
    Then, if you work out AF (-1+x,-2+y,-3+z) and OF(x,y,z) and dot product, then you have three unknowns- which is more confusing :-S
    Last edited by lekha2611; 25-01-2012 at 08:54.
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    On vector questions where is asks you to find the coordinates of A (the point of intersection - this tends to be a 1 mark question, I think), I always find lambda and the other symbol first, then substitute in to find A. This is really long though (far too long for one mark!) so how else could I find A?
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by alexsasg)
    On vector questions where is asks you to find the coordinates of A (the point of intersection - this tends to be a 1 mark question, I think), I always find lambda and the other symbol first, then substitute in to find A. This is really long though (far too long for one mark!) so how else could I find A?
    Post the question so that we can help you
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by lekha2611)
    No sorry, but I'm really just looking for methods tbh
    this is my opinion im not that sure if im correct though

    the problem is that xyz in this case is positional vector not a directional vector so it cant be used in the dot product , and the data is slightly not enough
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by anjelofernando)
    this is my opinion im not that sure if im correct though

    the problem is that xyz in this case is positional vector not a directional vector so it cant be used in the dot product , and the data is slightly not enough
    I know it's a dodgy question, but how else would you find the position vector of a point on the line, given another point and the vector equation of the line itself?
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    Good luck all

    If you see a question that you can't solve immediately, just stay calm and think clearly about what the question is asking you. Remember that all the information you need to answer a question will be written down, or you will have worked it out previously.
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by lekha2611)
    I know it's a dodgy question, but how else would you find the position vector of a point on the line, given another point and the vector equation of the line itself?
    Can you post an example because the way you're describing it isn't making much sense to me?
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by hassi94)
    Can you post an example because the way you're describing it isn't making much sense to me?
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36280449/TSR...20question.bmp
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by lekha2611)
    Sorry, I missed out that there's another point, A, on the line, (1,2,3).
    But then, say you let the point where the line is perp. to the origin be F, then it has coordinates (x,y,z).
    Then, if you work out AF (-1+x,-2+y,-3+z) and OF(x,y,z) and dot product, then you have three unknowns- which is more confusing :-S
    i got an answer -1,2,2 but in a very long and not sure way
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    I used the dot theorem with OF and the line l1 to find when their product is equal to zero.

    OF is given by the equation as (1+2λ,2,3+λ) and the direction of the line as (2,0,1)

    Then using the dot product

    (2)(1+2λ)+(1)(3+λ)=0
    2+4λ+3+λ=0
    5λ=-5
    so λ = -1
    Last edited by jhonwds; 25-01-2012 at 09:29.
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by jhonwds)
    I used the dot theorem with OF and the line l1 to find when their product is equal to zero.

    OF is given by the equation as (1+2λ,2,3+λ) and the direction of the line as (2,0,1)

    Then using the dot product

    (2)(1+2λ)+(1)(3+λ)=0
    2+4λ+3+λ=0
    5λ=-5
    so λ = -1
    Why is OF (1+2λ,2,3+λ)?
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by jhonwds)
    I used the dot theorem with OF and the line l1 to find when their product is equal to zero.

    OF is given by the equation as (1+2λ,2,3+λ) and the direction of the line as (2,0,1)

    Then using the dot product

    (2)(1+2λ)+(1)(3+λ)=0
    2+4λ+3+λ=0
    5λ=-5
    so λ = -1
    i got lambda as -1
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    Re: C4 Jan 12 Edexcel - Past Papers, Model answers, tips
    (Original post by lekha2611)
    Why is OF (1+2λ,2,3+λ)?
    The equation of a line in vector form, gives you the position vector of any point that lies on the line.

    Taking the line equation we have (1,2,3)+λ(2,0,1) we can say that any point that lies on the line is given by (1+2λ,2+λ(0),3+λ) so (1+2λ,2,3+λ).
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