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Original post by xirokx
does anyone know when you can apply to student finance?

ive completed my UCAS so wanted to know / find out what I would be entitled to

thanks


NOW! do it asap.

it opened start of feb i think but don't quote me but best to get it done asap for sure.
Original post by lrobbo89
You will be entitled to student loans if you haven't used them before. I live of the bare minimum (£3564 per year) and this covers my rent (I live in Newcastle- it's very cheap!) But I have found work over the summer months, done flexible work around my course and I had money from work before I started. (And there's always a student overdraft- not ideal but it's there!)
I'm not a mature student as I started at 20 but I know several people that are. Computer science has rather a lot!
It's much easier to secure odd-jobs around your degree and in holiday periods when you're competing against other students, as most of them have done two weeks work experience and that's it!
If you're worried about living with a load of young people, halls here I believe allow you to live with post grads or you can always go straight into a student house (it's generally cheaper anyway).
I can't see it being much different from being any other skint student and most Uni's offer a lot of support to mature students and you certainly wouldn't be alone!

I basically second all of this. I have done one degree (BA) and will soon be starting an MSci joint hons Maths and Physics. I lived at home rent free with my parents whilst doing some extra a levels/pre univ stuff like STEP papers and AEA Maths and worked part time so I could help the parents out with fees and living costs. Be honest with tutors about you needing a job and they will help you find flexibile part time work evenm if it is in a library or something. Also unis appreciate the time and sacrifice you've put in.
Reply 42
Woke up yesterday morning to an unconditional offer from Northampton Uni to study law. Not bad me thinks considering I will be 34 this year, working full time and running a business and my partner due to have a baby in October............. I must be mad :smile:

Good luck with your choices
Original post by Mickimus
Woke up yesterday morning to an unconditional offer from Northampton Uni to study law. Not bad me thinks considering I will be 34 this year, working full time and running a business and my partner due to have a baby in October............. I must be mad :smile:

Good luck with your choices


Congrats on the offer.

Full time Law course and job and business and new arrival ? Or will you be taking a career break ? Unfortuntately it is 18 years until you can get a new arrival break, albeit a partial one :smile:
Reply 44
God only knows, business I can pass off some of work load, so not to bad, the working full time may need to go part time, but baby on the way ummmm stuck with that one. Just need to concentrate on the bigger picture and getting decent results on the degree and seeing what opportunities it offers me then.
Reply 45
i'll be 28 when i start uni this year....and i've gone over the sums a 1000 times. If you are a mature student living and studying in London, you will get £9,300 per year, if you are entitled to the max loan and grant. Which in based in your household income. Me, personally I plan to get an affordable studio flat and a part time job. The grant and loan will be to mainly cover rent and bills...while a part time job will easily over food and travel. I've been living solely on my own for 2 years already, so I see no issue with going uni full time while working a weekend/part-time job.

Check out this website for estimates on what you could be entitled to: http://studentfinance-yourfuture.direct.gov.uk/grants

:smile:
Reply 46
Lots of great advice on this site...

I am at a mid life crossroad! I finish my OU degree next June and have more or less decided to do a postgrad 1 yr course in Sept 2013. However, I am single with a mortgage...I will have to give up my full time job which isnt particularly well paid but it pays my bills. Can anyone advise me:


1. Will I have to go to Uni every day...need to consider transport costs.
2. Could I get a student loan for a 1 yr post grad course?
3. £40k debt mentioned for 3 yr degree...how much debt will I have for 1 year course?
4. Am I mad to consider it?


I have to give up work because the course requires work placements.

I just feel this is my final chance as my current job is very insecure at the moment...chance to follow a dream.

Thanks
Elaine853
Reply 47
Student loans do not apply to post graduate courses, you will need to fund it yourself. Unless the course you are planning to to take is eligible for research council funding, but this only funds a very limited number of courses and competition is high.

If you haven't got savings, then Career Development Loans are another option. Only offered by Barclays and Co-op bank. The interest whilst you are studying is paid by the government, but you have start repayments 1 month after the official finish of your course. So you need to be focused about getting a job. The repayment amounts are fixed and not related to your income unlike student loans. A CDL is like a normal bank loan except for the payment deferral period while you are studying.

The maximum amount of the CDL has not kept pace with the tuition fees charged for post graduate courses, so savings or income to cover living expenses may be required.

See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/educationandlearning/adultlearning/financialhelpforadultlearners/careerdevelopmentloans/index.htm

The fees for post graduate courses are set by the university and not capped or limited by the government. Anything with Business in it attracts a premium over traditional subject courses. Not quite sure why considering the resources required to teach the business related subjects.
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Reply 48
Original post by Elaine853



1. Will I have to go to Uni every day...need to consider transport costs.

Depends on the course, some Masters can have as little as 2 teaching days per week, however this could be spread over several days.

2. Could I get a student loan for a 1 yr post grad course?

No, see my other post


3. £40k debt mentioned for 3 yr degree...how much debt will I have for 1 year course?

Tutition fees for home students range from £3500 - £10000+, it very much depends on the university and the subject. The cost of post graduate study has gone up exponentially in some subject areas.

4. Am I mad to consider it?


No, but be realistic about what you want to achieve from it. If you are lucky and your job ends at a point where you can start a masters immediately and you get some redundancy perfect. Post graduate study will not necessarily enhance your future earnings. It may make an alternative career possible, but employers don't tend to offer any salary premium.


I have to give up work because the course requires work placements.

I just feel this is my final chance as my current job is very insecure at the moment...chance to follow a dream.

Thanks
Elaine853
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Just to let you know, I was told May 21st was the deadline for Student Finance. I think you might be able to apply after that date ( but don't quote me on this).


Also struggled with the prospect of £30-£40Ks worth of student debt, but came to the conclusion that I'd rather pay over a period of decades than kill myself trying to pay upfront (struggling to pay for housing etc at the same time).
As a 31 year old Business undergrad (2nd year), I can tell you how I dealt/am dealing with things financially.

nb: I don't have any children, not married, and not in a position to live with parents (divorced and no space at subsequent homes).

Throughout my first year, I was already lucky enough to have a job (I worked at HMRC for 10 years, then went part time, reverse term). Entering my 2nd year and realising how intense the year would be, I resigned and left. It was a massive decision for me, but the main reasons why i left apart from the fact I wanted to commit full time to my studies, was that i was desperately unhappy in the job anyway, and I wanted to have flexibility in my life (during the summer periods) as to where I would like to work, or perhaps maybe travel/stay with relatives. I gave up a £500 per month job (HMRC), but knew i had financial support in the form of Maintenance grant, student loan and bursary which totalled £8000 per year.

I have had the odd part time job since I resigned from HMRC last summer, but I realised that uni was so work-intensive and every hour counted. So at the moment I don't have a job, but plan to as soon as exams are over in 10 days.

How do i live?

I live in a professional houseshare - and suggest you consider this option, and NOT student houseshares. I specifically wanted a professional houseshare because i wanted peace and quiet most of the time. If you receive full financial support, you will get the same as me (£8000 per year), which is about £3200 for maintenance grant, and £3200 for student loan, plus uni bursary (their own pot of funds specially for mature students with little or low income).

My rent is £250 per month plus gas and electricity, which equates to £50 per month. So £300 all in. So that's £3600 per year. The rest is obviously on food and socialising etc. It can be done without a job BUT you need to be amazing with money management. I always pay my landlord 3-4 months rent up front whenever i get my loans through.

I really do advise though to seriously consider not having a job in 2nd and 3rd year because there is an AWFUL amount of work to do, and you'll realize every hour in the day counts.
Original post by evening sunrise
I am afraid I do not, not without loans. Unless you have a well stuffed savings account, or can sell property or similar. The only option that would enable you to work full time to earn the required amount is the OU, and then a three year degree at 120 credits per year is something not many can do and even fewer do and get good honours.

IMHO full time at brick, with full time job inc nights = disaster, (excepting the summer break)

We are ex OU students (whilst working) and we are "going brick" from next September / October. We do have an approach which is, to take every loan and grant we are elligable for and to down size our house (now two of the four kids have fledged) down a house price gradient between the South and North. We will not work as we intend to be totally emersed in two things, firstly our course, ensuring we can go onto postgrad, secondly some of the societies at our two Unis, (well Ok and the kids of course). Hence we are doing a partial liquidation of assets and partial consumption of war chest, in order to pursue our life long desire as far as we can take it.

There is no "silver bullet".


I am also ex OU and although it is a fantastic institution, I was juggling part time work, studying and 2 young children... I just about passed each course I took.

I have took a break when I fell pregnant with baby 3, (then very quickly number 4!!) And my plan is now to attend brick uni and take EVERY single loan/grant/handout, I will beg and borrow from everywhere, as I now have 4 children which in itself is a fulltime job so would struggle to work aswell(oldest is 11, youngest is not yet 2)

I think you are shooting yourself in the foot to start with if you aren't going to take ANY financial support, it is there for a reason??

I hope you work something out :smile:
Original post by evening sunrise
I know some one who went full time at De montford, had a job which involved nights, often turned up at lectures straight from work still in uniform, got a pass, not even 3rd class in Business Studies. Works as a carer in a sheltered hostle, nothing wrong with that, in fact he enjoys it enormously, but it was not plan A when he started his degree.

Your position on studying sounds tailor made for the Open University, one could argue that individuals such as your self are its raison d'etre. However, an OU degree in 3 years is the same as a full time course at a brick Uni in terms of hours.

You can of course study with a brick uni part time or distance learning, have you considered those options.

But you want to:

a) Study full time. (To get the degree in 3 years ?)
b) Get at least a 2.1. (As thats what employers require)
c) Feed and cloth yourself for three years
d) House yourself for three years
e) Pay your tuition fees.
f) not leverage the loan system
g) Earn around a minimum of 17K p.a more likely 20K pa working whilst achieving a) and b) and to realise c) to f)


I would book in for a reality check. Sure, someone on here will tell you they have done it, it is the internet, but how many have tried and not managed it ?

That said, if you find away of doing this then please keep us all informed as there are about 20,000 mature students all dying to know the answer.


I gave up a job with the council, and my flat, to go to university at the other end of the country, at the age of 37. I've had a couple of bad house share scenario's, and there's been plenty of times when I wondered why the bloody hell I'm doing this to myself.. But I've got a part time job, sometimes it's hard fitting it around study. Some day's I'm just so exhausted, you don't believe. But, believe me you can not live off your student loan alone. I tried in my foundation year, and the stress nearly killed me.
Most of my friends don't understand that I'm totally skint, and get upset when I can't drop everything and sod off to London shopping for the weekend..
Uni is geared up for younger students, and to be honest I quite often get sick of the sight of kids.. (sorry)
Despite all this though, I am doing ok, averaging around 65%. I'm studying natural science.
Hope all this is worth the trouble.
Reply 53
I work full-time and read laws full-time.

My LLB is on the University of London External System (although it's been renamed twice since I started). Which is even cheaper than OU (a whole degree is usually in the £3000 range).

Not ideal, though. It's hard work with next to no support, and almost all my annual leave entitlement at work is used up at exam time.

But who can complain? I earn a fair amount, and my family would never be able to cope if I became a full-time regular student. I would go to Birkbeck, but I have school fees to pay - so you make your bed and you lie in it.
I am in the same position - I am a mature single male, I have been offered a place unconditionally by my chosen university due to my experience in the field and my work I've done by myself, so basically they chewed my arm off to get me. The only issue is I have a financial commitment to my flat which I live in with someone else (who relies on my income to pay rent as we split everything 50/50). I've applied for every loan I may be eligible for and also it might be worth you looking in to the Access to Learning funding that universities apparently offer some mature students. It does need to be paid back but again, I'm determined to do this degree as the university clearly wants me.

I understand how hard it is because despite the grants, the loans, and the extra funding, I don't see how I can pay my rent and bills without working a FT job. I think working PT nights and weekends might be the only way I could even do this. Failing that I will have to withdraw from the course which I will not be happy about, to put it as mildly as I can.
Reply 55
Original post by jamtheradar
I am in the same position - I am a mature single male, I have been offered a place unconditionally by my chosen university due to my experience in the field and my work I've done by myself, so basically they chewed my arm off to get me. The only issue is I have a financial commitment to my flat which I live in with someone else (who relies on my income to pay rent as we split everything 50/50). I've applied for every loan I may be eligible for and also it might be worth you looking in to the Access to Learning funding that universities apparently offer some mature students. It does need to be paid back but again, I'm determined to do this degree as the university clearly wants me.

I understand how hard it is because despite the grants, the loans, and the extra funding, I don't see how I can pay my rent and bills without working a FT job. I think working PT nights and weekends might be the only way I could even do this. Failing that I will have to withdraw from the course which I will not be happy about, to put it as mildly as I can.


Are you in the fortunate position to have a spare bedroom or room that could house a bed? If so consider renting a room, you can charge up to £4250 a year and not be liable for tax. Whilst it is not ideal, with the right house mate it can be a passive source of income. If you live in a town or city that people commute into alot, you could advertise for a Mon -Thurs lodger, that way your lodger is more like a regular house guest. You get the weekends in peace and the income bonus. Is there any option to continuing working for your current or most recent employer on a freelance basis? Are the specialist skills you have in demand by others, could you do one off freelance work. There are sites like elance (not a recommendation) where you may be able to access more potential employers, but use your personal network first. If you are able to schedule your freelance work to suit your studies that is the best option.

You becoming a student, may change your household income profile, such that your partner becomes eligible for working tax credits or housing benefits. It should reduce the council tax by the single person discount of 25% as you as a full time student become exempt.
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Reply 56
At some point you will have to borrow money for something and there is no better way than a student loan


Absolute rubbish! I will soon be 33 and have never borrowed any money in my life. If I can't afford something then I don't have it. I don't even have a credit card. This also applies to my parents who never even took out a mortgage. They managed to save enough capital to buy something outright. Their first house that they bought was really small and run down with no heating. As things improved they moved onto bigger and better things, but never ever borrowed money. It's called learning to live within your means. The problem is people want things too quickly and easily these days. If you really want something then save for it. If more people took this attitude then the country may not be in such a mess.

As for student work why not consider Taxi driving? When I was doing my first degree I did the Taxi driving and knowledge test and worked Friday and Saturday night and early mornings. Just on a Saturday or Sunday night you can bring in £250 each night. Also I had one contract job from 5 - 8 am every morning. Just that one job bought in 20k per year. I managed to live quite comfortably while my peers were struggling doing crappy low paid bar work etc. You just have to think outside the box.
Original post by marada
Absolute rubbish! I will soon be 33 and have never borrowed any money in my life. If I can't afford something then I don't have it. I don't even have a credit card. This also applies to my parents who never even took out a mortgage. They managed to save enough capital to buy something outright. Their first house that they bought was really small and run down with no heating. As things improved they moved onto bigger and better things, but never ever borrowed money. It's called learning to live within your means. The problem is people want things too quickly and easily these days. If you really want something then save for it. If more people took this attitude then the country may not be in such a mess.

As for student work why not consider Taxi driving? When I was doing my first degree I did the Taxi driving and knowledge test and worked Friday and Saturday night and early mornings. Just on a Saturday or Sunday night you can bring in £250 each night. Also I had one contract job from 5 - 8 am every morning. Just that one job bought in 20k per year. I managed to live quite comfortably while my peers were struggling doing crappy low paid bar work etc. You just have to think outside the box.


I agree with your point of view re; debt and borrowing however my debts were things I foolishly took on the moment I turned 18. With no-one to guide me through the consequences of heavy debt I still carry some of it with me now. Fortunately I am in a position where I will probably be clear of all my debts by the end of the year but it's taken a very, very long time and I think most people in this country just assume borrowing is a natural course of action rather than a choice. Having said that, student loans and financing to me personally are absolutely essential..
Hi Marada

Do you mind if I ask? What did you do for three hours every morning that brought in 20k a year? You are obviously a very sorted individual!
Reply 59
Original post by happyinthehaze
Hi Marada

Do you mind if I ask? What did you do for three hours every morning that brought in 20k a year? You are obviously a very sorted individual!



I had a contract to collect a number of disabled children and drive them to a special school. That's in the days when I used to be a Taxi driver. I don't do that now and in a way regret taking my life down an academic road. I am now about to qualify as a solicitor, but earn far less money and have more stress. I know it seems strange but I may even go back to simpler work. I now feel overworked, undervalued and underpaid.

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