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LGBT Issues in Nigeria(non-nigerians )
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Original post by Pride
Well I don't know about those theories, but I have a feeling they're flawed.
This is quite common with those who question homosexuality in that theres a bias against evidence. Its like you've decided its false before even seeing it.
The "west" still has a long way to go, we still have religious people, or atleast British traditionalists who may not be practacing christians who oppose sam sex marriage, adoption and civil partnerships, and quite a lot of people still think it is ints entirity a choice and not nature.
Some of the mos homophobic strains in the country come from BNPites, catholics and gasp ..... Non-British born muslims (in my expirience), British born ones or those that have been here for years are as liberal as most people on the issue. I think homophobia tends to finds roots in maily undeveloped/developing religious nations, a lot of Arfica, the Carribrean/central America, Middle east.
Some of the mos homophobic strains in the country come from BNPites, catholics and gasp ..... Non-British born muslims (in my expirience), British born ones or those that have been here for years are as liberal as most people on the issue. I think homophobia tends to finds roots in maily undeveloped/developing religious nations, a lot of Arfica, the Carribrean/central America, Middle east.
Original post by Ebuwa
What you said, sin has no hierachy in Christianity.
that is a good point.
on the other hand, why is it then, that a family might disown his son for being gay and not repenting, but would give him a slap and forget about it if he swore at his parents and wasn't apologetic?
in God's eyes, there is no hierachy, sin is sin. But to humans, we judge according to our own morals.
Original post by Pride
yeah, does it matter?
Well if homosexuality cannot be shown to be wrong in some intrinsic way, then how it comes about is irrelevant. If it can be, then how it comes about makes the difference between a pathology and a choice to do wrong.
Original post by Pride
Well I don't know about those theories, but I have a feeling they're flawed.
How can you have a feeling they're flawed if you don't know about them?
The basic idea is that by being gay you do not have children, and act as a secondary provider for your siblings and their children which in turn increases their success. Since your siblings and their children share a good proportion of your genetic material your genes get propagated anyway - statistically under some circumstances this is the most effective way of propagating your genetic material into future generations.
This is supported by eusociality, which comes about through the same mechanism thus proving that such selection pressures do actually exist, and by the observation that a person is more likely to be gay the more older siblings they have.
Original post by ohirome
This is quite common with those who question homosexuality in that theres a bias against evidence. Its like you've decided its false before even seeing it.
I'm no expert, if I saw any 'evidence' I would either just read figures, or read somebody's interpretation of it.
Original post by ohirome
Reproduction is not the be all and end all of life. Again, this is a very religious stance to take on the matter.
isn't it? I don't understand what you mean by that? Every species reproduces. Animals reproduce by sexual reproduction.
Original post by Dee Leigh
How did your family react to your sexuality (whatever that may be)? I presume you are not straight...??? 
Like I said, I've never told them, but the last time my mother spoke against same sex marriage, I argued for it in a respectful and logical way, the arguement ended when my mother asked if I was a "homosezual"
and I responded "no", I said "no", because I wasn't only attracted to women
. My dad even told me before I started uni not to get in to a same sex relationship, I suspected my mother told him about how I defended LGBT rights.I feel like I'm bisexual, even before I starting watching porn(around age 12), I found some boys as attractive as girls, but I had no one to look up to and encourage me to express my attraction.
But even though I leave in London now, I ended up making company with africans and afro carribeans who are very homophobic, this is why I find it hard to form friendships with them. One of them I'm very close to is Nigerian british, even when there somethings that make me suspect he's gay, I don't even want to confront him nor confession my attractions to men, cause I don't want to risk our friendship to turn into something violent/aggressive or more personal(because he's not my type, really), I try to tolerate his homophobia cause I don't have any other close friends.
Original post by Dee Leigh
...The thing is, Nigeria is a very religious country with very traditional beliefs, so homosexulaity is seen as a sin and as disgusting and unnatural. A gay person in Nigeria is more likely to be discriminated against.....
...The thing is, Nigeria is a very religious country with very traditional beliefs, so homosexulaity is seen as a sin and as disgusting and unnatural. A gay person in Nigeria is more likely to be discriminated against.....
Yeah Yeah, I am aware of that, otherwise I won't be posting this thread, will I?
Original post by Dee Leigh
... I'm of Nigeria descent but I am not agaist homosexuality. In fact I couldn't give a damn about it - what two consenting people get up to is none of my business and it is not my place to dictate what people get up to in their lives.
Honestly, I wish they were a lot of Nigerian descents like you
Original post by Pride
isn't it? I don't understand what you mean by that? Every species reproduces. Animals reproduce by sexual reproduction.
We're human beings, not robots, you shouldn't be telling people when and how to reproduce.
Original post by mmmpie
Well if homosexuality cannot be shown to be wrong in some intrinsic way, then how it comes about is irrelevant. If it can be, then how it comes about makes the difference between a pathology and a choice to do wrong.
How can you have a feeling they're flawed if you don't know about them?
The basic idea is that by being gay you do not have children, and act as a secondary provider for your siblings and their children which in turn increases their success. Since your siblings and their children share a good proportion of your genetic material your genes get propagated anyway - statistically under some circumstances this is the most effective way of propagating your genetic material into future generations.
This is supported by eusociality, which comes about through the same mechanism thus proving that such selection pressures do actually exist, and by the observation that a person is more likely to be gay the more older siblings they have.
How can you have a feeling they're flawed if you don't know about them?
The basic idea is that by being gay you do not have children, and act as a secondary provider for your siblings and their children which in turn increases their success. Since your siblings and their children share a good proportion of your genetic material your genes get propagated anyway - statistically under some circumstances this is the most effective way of propagating your genetic material into future generations.
This is supported by eusociality, which comes about through the same mechanism thus proving that such selection pressures do actually exist, and by the observation that a person is more likely to be gay the more older siblings they have.
ahh I see. Those are interesting ideas. They sort of sound like a theory just assigned to explain homosexuality. Almost like a mechanism for a chemical equation. I don't think I could take that seriously, but like I said, I'm no expert, I can't know, I can only make judgements from interpretations and my own morals.
Original post by Pride
isn't it? I don't understand what you mean by that? Every species reproduces. Animals reproduce by sexual reproduction.
Indeed, but you are playing the sexual activity card. Heterosexuality isn't defined by sex, nor is homosexuality. Some would like to insist that it is, but its not. The reproduction argument is also totally invalid nowadays due to the fact that not everyone can have children and not everyone chooses to have children. Again, its presence in the natural world beyond human beings suggests that its not a socially conditioned orientation, nor does it seem to be down to any mutated genes.
Original post by kenni12
We're human beings, not robots, you shouldn't be telling people when and how to reproduce.
I haven't told you how to reproduce. You know what I'm saying lol!
Original post by Pride
homophobia?
If you want my opinion, I don't agree with the discrimination of gays, I don't agree with their persecution. However, I don't believe you can be born gay (there is no evidence, there may be correlation studies, but there are no known gay genes, no concrete evidence in my opinion), I am a christian, so I guess I would count as 'religious', I do think homosexuality is not 'natural' (also, would God create gay people? and then say it's bad?). However I don't think banning it is fair, I mean, like you said, we do many unnatural things in our society. I am a christian, but I think a lot is tied on the sin of homosexuality. It doesn't seem right that homosexuals tend to be hated more than thieves for example. Then again, I find feminine men infuriating, and actually sometimes embarrassing (probably again because it's not natural). Do you see how the debate isn't so simple, there are lots of layers and moral ideas that you can have?
If you want my opinion, I don't agree with the discrimination of gays, I don't agree with their persecution. However, I don't believe you can be born gay (there is no evidence, there may be correlation studies, but there are no known gay genes, no concrete evidence in my opinion), I am a christian, so I guess I would count as 'religious', I do think homosexuality is not 'natural' (also, would God create gay people? and then say it's bad?). However I don't think banning it is fair, I mean, like you said, we do many unnatural things in our society. I am a christian, but I think a lot is tied on the sin of homosexuality. It doesn't seem right that homosexuals tend to be hated more than thieves for example. Then again, I find feminine men infuriating, and actually sometimes embarrassing (probably again because it's not natural). Do you see how the debate isn't so simple, there are lots of layers and moral ideas that you can have?
Have you considered that it wasn't God who wrote the bible, where it states that homosexuality is a sin? Therefore it's down to humans not God who believe it is a sin to be homosexual. Like you, to me it makes no sense for God to create gay people then say it's bad, but he didn't write the Bible.
Original post by Pride
I haven't told you how to reproduce. You know what I'm saying lol!
What I'm saying is, not everyone wants to have kids, you don't even have to be gay to not want kids. It's even good there are people like that, for the sake of population control.
Secondly, they're other ways gay people can have kids such as adoptions and IVF(In vitro fertilaization).
Original post by kenni12
Like I said, I've never told them, but the last time my mother spoke against same sex marriage, I argued for it in a respectful and logical way, the arguement ended when my mother asked if I was a "homosezual" and I responded "no", I said "no", because I wasn't only attracted to women. My dad even told me before I started uni not to get in to a same sex relationship, I suspected my mother told him about how I defended LGBT rights.
I feel like I'm bisexual, even before I starting watching porn(around age 12), I found some boys as attractive as girls, but I had no one to look up to and encourage me to express my attraction.
But even though I leave in London now, I ended up making company with africans and afro carribeans who are very homophobic, this is why I find it hard to form friendships with them. One of them I'm very close to is Nigerian british, even when there somethings that make me suspect he's gay, I don't even want to confront him nor confession my attractions to men, cause I don't want to risk our friendship to turn into something violent/aggressive or more personal(because he's not my type, really), I try to tolerate his homophobia cause I don't have any other close friends.
and I responded "no", I said "no", because I wasn't only attracted to women. My dad even told me before I started uni not to get in to a same sex relationship, I suspected my mother told him about how I defended LGBT rights.I feel like I'm bisexual, even before I starting watching porn(around age 12), I found some boys as attractive as girls, but I had no one to look up to and encourage me to express my attraction.
But even though I leave in London now, I ended up making company with africans and afro carribeans who are very homophobic, this is why I find it hard to form friendships with them. One of them I'm very close to is Nigerian british, even when there somethings that make me suspect he's gay, I don't even want to confront him nor confession my attractions to men, cause I don't want to risk our friendship to turn into something violent/aggressive or more personal(because he's not my type, really), I try to tolerate his homophobia cause I don't have any other close friends.
You need to start being a bit more true to yourself. Also, you need to find some new friends who are tolerant and will accept you for who you are.
Original post by kenni12
Yeah Yeah, I am aware of that, otherwise I won't be posting this thread, will I?
Yeah but we are kind of discussing the issue, so it makes sense to bring up those points.
Original post by kenni12
Honestly, I wish they were a lot of Nigerian descents like you
Thanks
I wish the same tooOriginal post by Pride
ahh I see. Those are interesting ideas. They sort of sound like a theory just assigned to explain homosexuality. Almost like a mechanism for a chemical equation. I don't think I could take that seriously, but like I said, I'm no expert, I can't know, I can only make judgements from interpretations and my own morals.
That's what a theory is: an explanation of something consistent with all the known facts. If you can't take something seriously because it is a theory in this sense, then you also can't accept the theory of gravitation or electromagnetism.
Original post by Dee Leigh
Have you considered that it wasn't God who wrote the bible, where it states that homosexuality is a sin? Therefore it's down to humans not God who believe it is a sin to be homosexual. Like you, to me it makes no sense for God to create gay people then say it's bad, but he didn't write the Bible.
The idea is that the bible is God's word, that the original translations of the books of the bible were influenced by God, and so are true. I see how it can be disagreed whether God specifically doesn't want homosexuality, I can't definitely tell. I do still think it's pretty clear though and I think the bible is credible. The story of Lot and his family escaping Sodom and Gomorrah is a big example. It's a story, there is little left to interpretation from the writers in this story. God destroyed the town because of their sin, which included homosexual acts.
It's not a straight answer, but I'm gonna stick to what I'm thinking.
Original post by kenni12
What I'm saying is, not everyone wants to have kids, you don't even have to be gay to not want kids. It's even good there are people like that, for the sake of population control.
Secondly, they're other ways gay people can have kids such as adoptions and IVF(In vitro fertilaization).
Secondly, they're other ways gay people can have kids such as adoptions and IVF(In vitro fertilaization).
I know that, but what other species does that?
Because of human intelligence and scienctific advancement over the years, we have learnt how to use nature to our advantage ie. allow homosexuals to form children containing one or both of their DNA (mitochondrial DNA advances recently)
and you are correct, not everybody wants to reproduce, and also not everybody is fertile. Yes.
Original post by prog2djent
...we still have religious people...who may not be practacing christians who oppose....adoption ...
Adoption?!, do you mean abortion or adoption, coz this is a new case of evil I'm hearing about religion.
I was born and raised in London, but definately a proud Nigerian. I think this thread is great, because this is a concerning issue back there.
When I went to Nigeria last summer, I remember asking my asking "do you know about lesbians and gay people?" I dont even know what made me assume they would be ignorant to this, but I still asked the question. The reply however, shocked me alot. My uncle said "Yeah, we know about them, but they possessed and they are cults" I was so suprised. Not by the answear as much, but more with there certainity in his tone of voice, as if this was geniuely true. That was the first time my eyes were opened to the homophobia in Nigeria.
There has also been a "trend" according to alot of Nigerians among Nollywood actresses who take part in "lesbianism". You always here these scandals breaking out in Nigerian entertainment news, with the lastest actress being accussed of being homosexual
When I went to Nigeria last summer, I remember asking my asking "do you know about lesbians and gay people?" I dont even know what made me assume they would be ignorant to this, but I still asked the question. The reply however, shocked me alot. My uncle said "Yeah, we know about them, but they possessed and they are cults" I was so suprised. Not by the answear as much, but more with there certainity in his tone of voice, as if this was geniuely true. That was the first time my eyes were opened to the homophobia in Nigeria.
There has also been a "trend" according to alot of Nigerians among Nollywood actresses who take part in "lesbianism". You always here these scandals breaking out in Nigerian entertainment news, with the lastest actress being accussed of being homosexual
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Original post by Pride
Because of human intelligence and scienctific advancement over the years, we have learnt how to use nature to our advantage ie. allow homosexuals to form children containing one or both of their DNA (mitochondrial DNA advances recently)
Because of human intelligence and scienctific advancement over the years, we have learnt how to use nature to our advantage ie. allow homosexuals to form children containing one or both of their DNA (mitochondrial DNA advances recently)
Well if I were Gay or got into a same sex relationship, I wouldn't even see the point because love is more important to me than genes. People say "blood is thicker than water", but that doesn't mean people with your blood can't betray, ask all the family abuse survivors.
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