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Reply 60
Original post by Mr Dangermouse
First question.


@Tories: Your manifesto seems very soundbitey to me. Can I have some actual policies that will ensure that the government puts the economic recovery and personal freedom at the heart of what you plan to do?


Yes.

As you can see from our manifesto and motions we believe that the key to sustainable economic growth is investing in co-ordination with the private sector in key infrastructure areas such as railways, air travel or desalinisation plants. We would continue to suggest such projects.

Most importantly however we believe that taxation is the enemy and in many cases serves solely to limit consumption or production, in addition to this we believe that our current tax system is needlessly complicated.

Below are just some of the measures that we plan to take..

Abolish corporation tax in the primary sector.
Lower corporation tax in the secondary sector.

These will aid in re-balancing the economy rather than the simple rhetoric used by most parties.

Lowering the housing deficit by providing tax intensives for developers to build 'green homes'.

Further removing religion from the state.
Reply 61
The Tories wanted to increase Rail Fares over the course of the Franchise

Their RPI+4% Policy would mean that Fares would increase by 63% at the current rate of inflation

We Lib Dems believe in FAIRER FARES
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Original post by Morgsie
The Tories wanted to increase Rail Fares


Yes and where was your mythical pot of gold at the end of a rainbow to fund the decrease?
Original post by Morgsie
The Tories wanted to increase Rail Fares

While opening up rail to make it a more competitive industry which should bring them down in general. You want to lower them unrealistically.
Reply 64
Original post by tehFrance
While opening up rail to make it a more competitive industry which should bring them down in general. You want to lower them unrealistically.


Competition may not actually reduce fares.

Actually I want to lower them so Passengers can afford rail travel instead of being priced of the train.

The Whole Rail Industry is a fragmented system because the Conservatives Privatised it under the Railways Act 1993. We want it be more joined up.

Nationalization is off the cards because of EU Directive 91/440 and it will cost Millions
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 65
Original post by Morgsie
The Tories wanted to increase Rail Fares over the course of the Franchise

Their RPI+4% Policy would mean that Fares would increase by 63% at the current rate of inflation

We Lib Dems believe in FAIRER FARES


As you well know, my proposed system would have lead to lower fair rises than the current system.

How do you plan to pay for these below inflation fair rises?
Reply 66
Original post by toronto353
Ok I'm going to take this in order. A financial transaction tax isn't the solution at all. You won't raise the revenue that you think you will because companies will just relocate so not only do you not raise a lot of money, but you lose jobs increasing the welfare bill.


Surprisingly, I disagree. An FST would raise some billions, though obviously this would decrease in the long-run. Regarding the banking sector, I'm of the belief that it will eventually decrease in the West whatever happens - it's inevitable that more money can be made through locating to China and India et al. What the government has to do is prepare for this: we need to rebalance our economy, so, like Germany, we are less reliant on the tax revenue from our financial services industry - an industry that is highly volatile.

Welfare bill cutting - not with the above tax you won't.


I love your creativity. Linking an FST to unemployment! Not even the most reactionary economists have done that yet.

Cutting red tape. Great idea, but what about European red tape? You're going to cut that too? Of course you can't - policy two - impossible and unlikely to happen. Cutting the defence budget - madness. There's already a blackhole in the finances. Scrap trident, unilaterally - mad idea. UKIP supports multilateral disarmament, but we need an insurance policy and your policy leaves us open to attack. Fiscally balanced? No. Sane policies? Not really.


I'm actually eurosceptic. I hate the mad bureaucracy and waste that happens in Brussels and Strasbourg. And it's mad to want to keep a tool for genocide in my opinion, but if that's UKIP's policy... And defence cuts would come from cutting Trident and the foreign wars we're in, the conventional army should be made larger - we should also increase spending on new technologies to specialise and improve the quality of our Defence Force. Sane and balanced solutions here, folks.

But why go to all this trouble? You won't be chancellor of the exchequer as an independent, but moreover you don't even have the support in the House to do so.


Likewise with UKIP's policies. And by doing this I'm hopefully influencing the politics of the House overall. I've noticed certain parts in the Lib Dem and Labour manifestos that I've no-doubt helped along.

Don't you think it's patronising to women to say 'oh you can't get to the top on your own merit so we'll level the playing field'? How is this gender equality? You're discriminating against men to help women. You're always going to be discriminating against someone, but you've spun it around to make it look good. Taking all that aside, how will you actually achieve gender equality?


You seriously think that the current system is based on merit? Seriously?
Original post by tehFrance

Also why the hell are you lying in your manifesto?


Why did you lie in your manifesto? The Government was most definitely not inactive, we proved that especially towards the end of the term.
Reply 68
Original post by Morgsie
Competition may not actually reduce fares.

Actually I want to lower them so Passengers can afford rail travel instead of being priced of the train.

The Whole Rail Industry is a fragmented system because the Conservatives Privatised it under the Railways Act 1993. We want it be more joined up.

Nationalization is off the cards because of EU Directive 91/440 and it will cost Millions


TSR law supersedes EU law, so go ahead and try nationalise if you wish.

My bill attempted to rectify the errors.

Priced off the train? While very high the last time i checked passenger numbers were rocketing. You opposed a fair system.
Original post by Rakas21
Yes.

As you can see from our manifesto and motions we believe that the key to sustainable economic growth is investing in co-ordination with the private sector in key infrastructure areas such as railways, air travel or desalinisation plants. We would continue to suggest such projects.

Most importantly however we believe that taxation is the enemy and in many cases serves solely to limit consumption or production, in addition to this we believe that our current tax system is needlessly complicated.

Below are just some of the measures that we plan to take..

Abolish corporation tax in the primary sector.
Lower corporation tax in the secondary sector.

These will aid in re-balancing the economy rather than the simple rhetoric used by most parties.

Lowering the housing deficit by providing tax intensives for developers to build 'green homes'.

Further removing religion from the state.



I quite like the look of what the Conservative party seems to be offering.
Reply 70
Original post by JPKC
Surprisingly, I disagree. An FST would raise some billions, though obviously this would decrease in the long-run. Regarding the banking sector, I'm of the belief that it will eventually decrease in the West whatever happens - it's inevitable that more money can be made through locating to China and India et al. What the government has to do is prepare for this: we need to rebalance our economy, so, like Germany, we are less reliant on the tax revenue from our financial services industry - an industry that is highly volatile.



I love your creativity. Linking an FST to unemployment! Not even the most reactionary economists have done that yet.



I'm actually eurosceptic. I hate the mad bureaucracy and waste that happens in Brussels and Strasbourg. And it's mad to want to keep a tool for genocide in my opinion, but if that's UKIP's policy... And defence cuts would come from cutting Trident and the foreign wars we're in, the conventional army should be made larger - we should also increase spending on new technologies to specialise and improve the quality of our Defence Force. Sane and balanced solutions here, folks.



Likewise with UKIP's policies. And by doing this I'm hopefully influencing the politics of the House overall. I've noticed certain parts in the Lib Dem and Labour manifestos that I've no-doubt helped along.



You seriously think that the current system is based on merit? Seriously?


Which parts have you influenced???????????
Our Manifesto was thought about by our MP's including myself
Trident, the £83.5 bn will put back into the Defence Budget so our boys can have proper equipment etc.
Original post by xXedixXx
Why did you lie in your manifesto? The Government was most definitely not inactive, we proved that especially towards the end of the term.

Towards the end of the term after the VoNC was called, too late to save face I am afraid.
Reply 72
Original post by Rakas21
TSR law supersedes EU law, so go ahead and try nationalise if you wish.

My bill attempted to rectify the errors.

Priced off the train? While very high the last time i checked passenger numbers were rocketing. You opposed a fair system.


I am not advocating Nationalisation, far from it.

Every time there is a fare hike, passengers complain saying it is unfair etc.

It's not fair that TOCs and Network Rail to award themselves Large bonuses etc.
(edited 12 years ago)
Original post by JPKC
Surprisingly, I disagree. An FST would raise some billions, though obviously this would decrease in the long-run. Regarding the banking sector, I'm of the belief that it will eventually decrease in the West whatever happens - it's inevitable that more money can be made through locating to China and India et al. What the government has to do is prepare for this: we need to rebalance our economy, so, like Germany, we are less reliant on the tax revenue from our financial services industry - an industry that is highly volatile.


So why chase it away now? Countries that have adopted FST have regretted it because it raises very little revenue and costs a great deal in lost tax incomes


I love your creativity. Linking an FST to unemployment! Not even the most reactionary economists have done that yet.


FST brought in. Companies move out of the UK to avoid it, people lose jobs. Therefore FST leads to unemployment. It's a reactionary tax that serves only to please the crowd.


I'm actually eurosceptic. I hate the mad bureaucracy and waste that happens in Brussels and Strasbourg. And it's mad to want to keep a tool for genocide in my opinion, but if that's UKIP's policy... And defence cuts would come from cutting Trident and the foreign wars we're in, the conventional army should be made larger - we should also increase spending on new technologies to specialise and improve the quality of our Defence Force. Sane and balanced solutions here, folks.


Please don't misquote UKIP policy. UKIP wants multilateral disarmament, but we don't support unilateral disarmament. I'm glad that you agree with UKIP somewhat on Europe and I'm glad that you agree about foreign wars.


Likewise with UKIP's policies. And by doing this I'm hopefully influencing the politics of the House overall. I've noticed certain parts in the Lib Dem and Labour manifestos that I've no-doubt helped along.


When you rub people up the wrong way how can you hope to actually influence the House? Your character is abrasive and if you learned to behave in a little less abrasive manner, you could certainly have more sway within the House.


You seriously think that the current system is based on merit? Seriously?


Women who have got done well have done so through merit. How have they got to where they are? The system isn't ideal, but why should government interfere? Surely that holds business back because rather than finding the best people for the job, their time is spent filling quotas. How demeaning is it to women that they only hold a job because they fill a quota.
Original post by Rakas21
In the interests of transparecy for the voters i thought that i would show them how many bills and motions have been passed by parliament this term for each party..

Motions..

Conservatives: 3
Liberal Democrats: 3
Libertarians: 1
Ukip: 0
Socialists: 0
Labour: 0

Bills..

Libertarians: 3
Conservatives: 1
Ukip: 1
Liberal Democrats: 0
Socialists: 0
Labour: 0

Joint motions were left out.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=145

While the Tories cannot claim mass amounts of success there is a clear pattern present in which the Socialists and Labour have wasted the votes they received from the electorate last term and the voters should quite rightfully be asking themselves whether they should be voting for failed parties again.


That's handy that you left joint motions out isn't it Rakas?

Considering the fact that I took the decision, with the rest of Labour's approval to consult with the Libertarians over the Falkland Islands Motion (which passed with one of the highest percentages I've ever seen, second only to my Gender Equality In The Armed Forces Bill, I believe). To come up with a well made joint motion.

If I hadn't of done that the motion would have still passed, but I thought it was only fair to the Libertarians (as they'd put in work to come up with a Falklands motion).

Typical tory strategy of selectively choosing information to release to the electorate.
Original post by xXedixXx
Why did you lie in your manifesto? The Government was most definitely not inactive, we proved that especially towards the end of the term.


Oh come off it. The Lib Dems left because they were fed up with your inactivity and you barely did anything as a Government. To quote Morgsie:


We have come to the decision that the viability of this government is untenable. We will no longer accept the lazy, apathetic manner of our coalition partners, and those who appear not to understand the nature of leadership. This should have been a Government; instead it has become a morgue. For the good of both parties, and for the sake of the House in general, we withdraw from this Coalition with immediate effect.


To paraphase an old saying: Labour just wasn't working.
Reply 76
Original post by Morgsie
Which parts have you influenced???????????
Our Manifesto was thought about by our MP's including myself
Trident, the £83.5 bn will put back into the Defence Budget so our boys can have proper equipment etc.


Morgsie like a brilliant sponge you tend to soak up ideas (and stay incredibly wet). I won't go into detail but I have my suspicions based on our previous discussions - namely in the by-election thread.

Question time. Why does the Lib Dem manifesto include so many unnecessary capitalised letters? I was trying to work out if you've got some secret code going but it doesn't look like it. Also, how would you reform SEN provision in the education system?
Original post by JPKC
Surprisingly, I disagree. An FST would raise some billions

No as companies will relocate!
Original post by tehFrance
No as companies will relocate!


Yes! I can finally rep you.
Reply 79
Original post by Morgsie
I am not advocating Nationalisation, far from it.

Every time there is a fare hike, passengers complain saying it is unfair etc.

It's not fair that TOCs and Network Rail to award themselves Large bonuses etc.


Good.

That is true however transport is a high priority to most people and as such cutbacks are made in other areas first. We should adopt a fairer pricing system and then give people greater disposable income via tax cuts in other areas. Passenger is happy, rail companies have the money to invest and so the system works.

The train operators which are privately owned can redistribute profit how they like. Network Rail as a nationalised body should be subject to performance reviews before any bonuses are awarded.

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