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(Original post by aljolson)
I have, not even remotely funny. But the Christian V Muslim debate, that intruded on the debate was funny.

This is more a humanity against islam debate.


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Out of curiosity, what % of Muslims are Salafi or Wahabi?

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(Original post by Blackburn_Allen)
How can people not see that religion is evil? How can you not see? Are so blind that you cannot see what is directly in front of you? Are you so blind that, in order for you to see, more have to die? Don't sit there and try and justify the deaths of millions upon millions of people by saying they have a right to believe. Don't even begin to say that religion brings morality. Religion brings death, religion brings destruction; religion brings no good. This is just another story that will go under the theist carpet. Another life that means nothing because it is a supposed minority.

Anyone that defends religion is just as evil as the people that committed this atrocity. I do not hate you, I don't feel nothing for you - only pity. I pity you because I know that you are just another person that has fell victim to an age old institution, built by indoctrination and governed by fear. An institution that by its very nature makes you submit your own "God-given" freedom.

And for all those that want to try and bring up how religion is peaceful I say this to you: the swastika was once a symbol of peace. There can be no peace with something that brings so much death.

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The raindrop never feels responsible for the flood.

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(Original post by Iqbal007)
In reality the majority of Muslims are against "Wahabiism"............prett y much they get a lot of criticism since it began, because the movement came out of nowhere and are no where in line with the original views of Islam...........and are seen as extremists by many scholars.

I agree people can call themselves Muslims and not really be Muslims :s
I remember once seeing a documentary about people claiming to be a religion when they really aren't true followers and this stripper claimed to be Christian ? Now I'm sure many Christians will say 'She's just not following the religion properly', just as how Muslims say that these people clearly aren't following the laws of Islam properly

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(Original post by es.c)
Has anyone ever threatened you to join Islam or face death?

I was born into a Muslum household... With a Catholic Mother... Strange upbringing I guess

[.eXe]

(Original post by consumed)
I was born into a Muslum household... With a Catholic Mother... Strange upbringing I guess

I hope you are Christian.

If not i'd rather you be atheist than a muslim. Somehow, I think I'll be disappointed

[laprenti]

Oh, this again, I'm tired of it, can't we all become atheists and move on? ffs.

I didn't know north africans were still called moors

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(Original post by es.c)
This thread has gone way out of hand.
When these kinds of articles are published, media shows it as being all Muslims, when in fact it is a very small minority of Muslims that follow extreme rules.
In terms of Aisha and the prophet sharing the same pillow..? I think the historians will agree that in those times, Romans, Persians all did the same. It was a norm to have many wives, regardless of age, and for it to be done by the fathers persomission for the daughter to marry.

All the haters of Islam need a serious history and justice lesson. #Justsayin'

More slaughter?

[ehasani]

(Original post by RyanT)
Like I've always said on these forums, allowing these people to achieve a critical mass is extremely dangerous for our future. Unfortunately, that rubicon has been crossed. The only way to protect ourselves from muslims now is to cast away self-hobbling mentalities about the religion of peace and to repudiate mantras about equality.

Muslims have a very strong identity, which is partially why they are so violent towards other groups. We must recognise and echew cancerous ideas of muslims being British. They are our enemies, as surely as they are the enemies of Christians in Tunisa, the Balkans and the wider middle east.

Some of them will be along shortly to pretend not to support these actions in Tunisa. But we should remind ourselves, who were the people out on the streets cheering in 9/11?

Who carried out 7/7?

i am muslim and balkan and proud! i really hate it when small minded idiots like you generalise to the whole muslim population- there are good and bad people whatever their religion- hitler was not muslim, neither was the person who led the Rwanda genocide etc. you are trying to generalize the muslim population as being violent when you know nothing about Islam.

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(Original post by ehasani)
i am muslim and balkan and proud! i really hate it when small minded idiots like you generalise to the whole muslim population- there are good and bad people whatever their religion- hitler was not muslim, neither was the person who led the Rwanda genocide etc. you are trying to generalize the muslim population as being violent when you know nothing about Islam.

They kind of have some kind of valid point though, whilst making sweeping generalisations about every individual muslim is wrong, you can say that as a group, as a collective, muslims are altogether more violent, less tolerable, more radical, and islam does tend to make certain individuals more violent and have disgusting views, especially certain flavours of islam. Even the 'vanilla', mainstream sunni islam does cause certain long term problems in a subtle way. Stem cell research, social segregation, less scientists and acceptance of science in general which stunts the growth of civilization etc etc. That's not to say that all muslims are terrible, you'll find plenty of good muslim people

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(Original post by .eXe)
I hope you are Christian.

If not i'd rather you be atheist than a muslim. Somehow, I think I'll be disappointed

Nah I'm not Christian.

My Irish mother never was too preachy with me to become Christian/Catholic so I never really considered it... Except when I started drinking at 10/11.

I'm trying to live without the idea of a God watching what I do wrong or whatever but I still want to do the right thing in general.

(Original post by laprenti)
Oh, this again, I'm tired of it, can't we all become atheists and move on? ffs.

I didn't know north africans were still called moors

North Africans are generally Berbers (Barbarians) who may have been Moors, Semites, Arab, European and whatever else in the past. There's also an Arab /Berber fusion too.

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(Original post by consumed)
North Africans are generally Berbers (Barbarians) who may have been Moors, Semites, Arab, European and whatever else in the past. There's also an Arab /Berber fusion too.

...are you sure? I'm berber :P And I've always been told that berbers are a native afro-asiatic north african race who have never been anything else in the past, but most north africans have mixed with the invaders like arabs and become arabized. I've just never seen north africans referred to as moors outside of a wikipedia article

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Well I saw my Fully berber family a few years back in the mountain in Morocco and they looked "Arab" but not black in any way.

My Grandfather could have been mistaken as as a cross between Asian(Indian) And Sub Saharan African.

The people of Morocco have mixed with pretty much everything in history.

It's funny that The Barbarian pirates enslaved Irish people and I'm basically a product of Desert fever.

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(Original post by consumed)
Well I saw my Fully berber family a few years back in the mountain in Morocco and they looked "Arab" but not black in any way.

My Grandfather could have been mistaken as as a cross between Asian(Indian) And Sub Saharan African.

The people of Morocco have mixed with pretty much everything in history.

It's funny that The Barbarian pirates enslaved Irish people and I'm basically a product of Desert fever.

Berbers, the full ones at least, have no arab in them, I don't think they look arab, they do differ in appearance though depending on what tribe they're from. I'm from a Kabyle tribe

I find it funny that although Morocco and Tunisia are much smaller than Algeria, everyone forgets about Algeria and considers berbers/couscous etc as Moroccan or Tunisian

Only the city people and arabised north africans mixed, the tribal berbers up in mountains and other remote places refused to marry or mix with them

Desert fever?

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(Original post by harrath)
I feel a big factor being ignored here is that the vast majority of Muslims would strongly appose the actions of the men in the video, and one must remember that within every religion there are people who are good and people who are bad. In July of last year a man who reportedly called himself a 'Christian crusader' killed 77 people in Norway however i would not dare to say Christianity is a religion of terrorism. I feel watching a video of a Muslim kill someone does not support your claim that Islam is a religion with 'cancerous ideas'.

The guy in Norway wasn't enforcing any Christian laws though.

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(Original post by RyanT)
Like I've always said on these forums, allowing these people to achieve a critical mass is extremely dangerous for our future. Unfortunately, that rubicon has been crossed. The only way to protect ourselves from muslims now is to cast away self-hobbling mentalities about the religion of peace and to repudiate mantras about equality.

Muslims have a very strong identity, which is partially why they are so violent towards other groups. We must recognise and echew cancerous ideas of muslims being British. They are our enemies, as surely as they are the enemies of Christians in Tunisa, the Balkans and the wider middle east.

Some of them will be along shortly to pretend not to support these actions in Tunisa. But we should remind ourselves, who were the people out on the streets cheering in 9/11?

Who carried out 7/7?

It's funny because if anyone acted toward Judaism in this way it would be branded anti-semitic and rightly so but because it's Islam it's open season.

Remember all those stories about Jews not being truly German and how they were responsible for poisoning wells and killing children? How they were "the enemy"?

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that is pure sick. They deserve to die.

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(Original post by laprenti)
Berbers, the full ones at least, have no arab in them, I don't think they look arab, they do differ in appearance though depending on what tribe they're from. I'm from a Kabyle tribe

I find it funny that although Morocco and Tunisia are much smaller than Algeria, everyone forgets about Algeria and considers berbers/couscous etc as Moroccan or Tunisian

Only the city people and arabised north africans mixed, the tribal berbers up in mountains and other remote places refused to marry or mix with them

Desert fever?

I have no idea about my tribe tbh.. I'll ask my Dad tomorrow.

Well Cous Cous is more on the Moroccan side but I know that Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and even part of Mauritania were all one country and it was called the Maghreb.

Maghreb now means Morocco.

From what I know My Grandfather had his wife when they were in the mountains and moved to Casablanca. Some of my Auntie's/Uncle's may have married Arabs (Never asked as I just thought they're just Moroccan) and My dad went for a white woman.

Desert fever is like Jungle fever except with Arabs and white people.

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(Original post by consumed)
I have no idea about my tribe tbh.. I'll ask my Dad tomorrow.

Well Cous Cous is more on the Moroccan side but I know that Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and even part of Mauritania were all one country and it was called the Maghreb.

Maghreb now means Morocco.

From what I know My Grandfather had his wife when they were in the mountains and moved to Casablanca. Some of my Auntie's/Uncle's may have married Arabs (Never asked as I just thought they're just Moroccan) and My dad went for a white woman.

Desert fever is like Jungle fever except with Arabs and white people.

Couscous isn't more on the Moroccan side, it's a berber food that just happened to be marketed as Moroccan.

:P Oh alright then. Well berbers tended not to mix, if they did they became arabised and distinguished themselves from berbers, usually as city people.

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^Yeah most likely... Most Indian restaurants are run By Bangladeshi people..

Casablanca>> Jabil (Mountains)