Why are immigrants hated in this country?

Excatly my point. Immigration is such a tiny 'problem', and we have much bigger issues to deal with first. People's ignorance on this issue is strong...But I guess it's easier to blame those who don't have a voice and can't defend themselves, then blame the real villians.

Well depending on why they are here, it benefits the immigrants also.

But shouldn't people be angry with the company's who expolit immigrants, rather than blame the victums? I don't get why people blame those who get treated unfairly, while it's the company who is breaking the law and laughing all the way to the bank

Have a look at many low-paid positions and you will see migrant men also. They guy at club toilets selling stuff?

I don't think I said migrants didn't get top jobs, just that migrants often get the poorer jobs that others in that country don't particuarly want.

At least thats what I was trying to say, if I'm wrong I apologise. I was just saying that the argument "immigrants took our jobs" is wrong simply.

the combination of outsourcing and mass immigration has absolutely decimated the wages and job prospects of the poor and working classes in these countries -- and its only happening because the corporations want cheap labour. they don't give a crap about living standards.

mass immigration is just not needed. it is a disaster for britain. its a disaster for the poor and working classes -- but even the middle classes are suffering. because of the saturated job market every graduate job has over 50 applicants.

china seems to be getting on very well without mass immigration. imagine if china opened up its borders? how would its own chinese people ever become richer if all they were doing was competing with the immigrants for jobs and resources.

Agreed. Admittedly I read the daily mail, no for the news but usually the gossip bit. I do look at the headlines online though, and laugh out loud at some of the blantent racist, ignorant and elitist bull they print. I used to think very few people where stupid enough to believe this, and it's only a small minority who would read such a thing.

I'm not so sure anymore, everytime I see a story about 'bogus asylum seekers' or some other crap, there's 1000's of commonts, and the top ones are always something racist, which has 2000 likes.

There was a story a few days ago in the Daily Mail about a baby being painted in chocolate and an 'afro' hair-do to mock an African footballer. One comment said people who complained are stupid, and it was a funny joke and not at all racist. It had 2000 likes

I know many people wouldn't agree with this, but too many people do...

I moved here with my parents 5 years ago because my dad was asked to fill in a job position that they just couldn't find anyone qualified enough for - yes it was a quite well paying position but the fact is they had to bring in someone from another country to fill it in just shows something. Also my mum started by working in a charity shop to improve her language (which is what many immigrants do), then worked at a pub as a cleaner (had to be at her job for 5am, absolute minimum wages) and then started working in a care home (which is actually currently struggling to find employees due to the demeaning nature of the work). My dad is now running his own business and my mum's a senior carer. They worked their ****ing asses off to get where they are now. There seems to be a misconception that jobs are handed over to immigrants on a silver plate when in reality they have to work hard.
Yes I am quite a bit more ambitious and currently pursuing a law degree but I believe I'm just as entitled to then get a high paying job as my english counterparts as I too have been working hard.
As regards to health care - I'm not really sure how to whole tax/NHS thing/benefits system works exactly but you know we pay taxes and don't claim any benefits.
Obviously there are people in our community that abuse the benefit system but they are looked down upon by other immigrants as it gives us a bad name.

I would say they also often get the best jobs that most of the indigenous people may want.

For example when I worked in the Netherlands I worked at a company where over 50% of revenue-generating employees were migrant men. In fact when considered as individual nationalities, American men, Chinese men, Indian men and Russian men outnumbeered Dutch women in ABSOLUTE numerical terms (i.e. not just in terms of their proportion of the local population).

Also those 'guys at club toilets' who you mention are quite likely to have more than one job (i.e - one they do during the day). Supposing they were unable to cover their costs, they probably would cut their losses and move elsewhere. Speaking as a migrant man - nobody intends to make a lossmaking move or put up with it for long supposing they accidentally do make such a move.

its just unbelievable the level of hate is just astounding you can almost feel the hate dragging you in to their mindset just watch this video its a perfect description of all those kinds of papers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2rBDoCj2Gg

Western European populations have had ample opportunity to vote for socialist parties that advocated nationalizing all these industries so that outsourcing could not happen. Naturally labour costs would have been higher had this happened. In the 1980s they for the most part voted AGAINST this and tacitly gave their political approval to neoliberal economics. In a globalized economy if your nation happens to have higher labour costs you need to have an advantage in terms of productivity per unit currency otherwise what can be outsourced will be outsourced. Western European populations had the opportunity to exclusively buy locally-manufacted goods or locally-derlivered services but they did not. They did not favour local companies over multinational companies.

China and India are not comparable because both countries' populations are HIGHER than those of Western Europe. In India (and increasingly China's) case there is completely free movement of labour to capital - so for example - there is no restriction on a Kashmiri moving from Srinagar to Mumbai, even if he/she is completely unable to speak in the local language (Marathi). There has been hardly any opposition to the freedom of labour or capital migration between the different Indian states despite the often large disparity in GDP per capita between them. Both of these nations' economies have been growing at an excess of 6% per annum over the previous decade.

Haha LOVE it!

Haha LOVE it!

you talk as if democracy gives people an actual voice on what they want -- or that corporations actually come and and say what they are up to.

the point about china is very simple. its OWN people are doing the jobs that are being created which is actually making the average chinese person richer. it makes no difference the population size. the same process would happen if you have country of a million people as opposed to 1.5 billion.

Fair enough. But the number is really low to be honest, kind of embarrassingly low considering what other countries, both eastern and western take each year .

I suppose though I do see in newspapers the scare mongering about immigrantion so I can't really blame people for believing it.

But wasn't this whole eroson of the so called British culture come around before this whole immigrantion thing? I'm not too sure, but I think becuase British people are changing, some people see it as letting out culture go i.e. the good ol' days?

I know when I lived in an Eastern country, while I obeyed their laws and culture, I still kept my own British culture through speaking English, drinking, listening to British/western music etc. I think everyone does, espcially when you have no choice and can never return, would feel homesick and want to retain some of thier orginal culture.

Mass immigration I don't agree with. Controlled I do.

Immigration is good for this country. The same people that winge on about "bloody immigrants taking our jobs" are the same people that wouldn't do the jobs that they do!

Would much rather have a bunch of hard working polish in this country then the scumbags who sit on the dole doing nothing, the lower working classes. They're the ones that kick up a fuss, without knowing anything. Really boils my blood.