Poor conditions at Amazon -Workers at Amazon face an increased risk of mental illness
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Original post by xDave-
"My experience was worse than yours, thus you cannot complain."
In fact, the only person with the right to complain is the person who has the worst life in the world! Everyone else has it much better than he/she does, so they should just stfu.
In fact, the only person with the right to complain is the person who has the worst life in the world! Everyone else has it much better than he/she does, so they should just stfu.
I should have said 'seemed'. They seemed better off, my cousin and my friend. I have no right to complain, couldn't hack the job I was doing, kept being sick.
I do hold a grudge against Amazon, or at least an agency running within Amazon Swansea for firing my boyfriend after getting an anonymous note saying he tried to walk out with a 60 inch TV. On my birthday and all. That was a strange time.
Original post by silverbolt
oh im not saying that its not a problem
but when your choice is a wage in a bad company or no wage at all what else can you do?
but when your choice is a wage in a bad company or no wage at all what else can you do?
Unionise and force a change. People like you were saying in the 1830s that it was better that these wretches and guttersnipes had jobs, that fighting for better working conditions would cripple industry.
In fact, the advancement of technology and living standards has gone hand-in-hand with advances in workers rights and laws protecting health and safety. Your attitude, taken to its logical conclusion, would see us back in the early 19th century when you had 5 year olds working 12 hour days and sleeping next to their machines (and for whom there was often a life expectancy of no more than 10) in ghastly mills in the north.
I would rather be on the dole doing something productive with my free time than being a modern day slave. I don't know why they put up with it.
Original post by silverbolt
oh im not saying that its not a problem
but when your choice is a wage in a bad company or no wage at all what else can you do?
Its this of attitude that causes the complaints about "migrant workers doing the jobs you dont"
You dont want to work 11 days a day for minimum wage - fine - garuntee you theres a dozen poles/romanians/asians who will.
but when your choice is a wage in a bad company or no wage at all what else can you do?
Its this of attitude that causes the complaints about "migrant workers doing the jobs you dont"
You dont want to work 11 days a day for minimum wage - fine - garuntee you theres a dozen poles/romanians/asians who will.
I stupidly did hah, worked 12 hour nights on £6.10 picking through rubbish bags and I was the only non Polish person there. Learned quite a bit of Polish though!
Original post by datpiff
I knew I'd get lazy comments like this. People like you are the reason why conditions in workplaces are getting increasingly poorer. People would unionize in the workplace but Amazon of course make sure that their employees have no chance of unionising.
i have had to move ack to my poor town after uni and Amazon are literally the only player in town who is employing.
I can also argue that them not paying their tax also gives them an unfair advantage over other retailers.
i am quitting soon btw.
i have had to move ack to my poor town after uni and Amazon are literally the only player in town who is employing.
I can also argue that them not paying their tax also gives them an unfair advantage over other retailers.
i am quitting soon btw.
I work for one of their competitors and had a customer mention ssomething about the awful conditions for amazon workers... never knew what he meant until now lol.
The Panorama programme says that if you take a day off sick you get a "point". If you get three points, you're sacked.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
Original post by MostUncivilised
The Panorama programme says that if you take a day off sick you get a "point". If you get three points, you're sacked.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
I was told 2 points at my induction..... Although if u show up vomiting then they'll send u home (although u get 0.5 points for clocking in /out late/early anyway)
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Original post by MostUncivilised
The Panorama programme says that if you take a day off sick you get a "point". If you get three points, you're sacked.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
I'm thinking that this has opened a can of worms for Amazon. Will there be any lawsuits. I highly doubt many will have the guts to take on the giant.
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Original post by datpiff
I was told 2 points at my induction..... Although if u show up vomiting then they'll send u home (although u get 0.5 points for clocking in /out late/early anyway)
I'm thinking that this has opened a can of worms for Amazon. Will there be any lawsuits. I highly doubt many will have the guts to take on the giant.
I'm thinking that this has opened a can of worms for Amazon. Will there be any lawsuits. I highly doubt many will have the guts to take on the giant.
The points system, for employees who have worked more than two years in any job, would be illegal. It's this recent government imposition of the two year continuity of service requirement that creates the outrageous situation that something that would be otherwise illegal is lawful for the first two years of employment.
The only chink in the armour is if it is Amazon's working conditions itself that are causing the illness. That's the ticket, that the pressure is causing stress and anxiety to the point that you are unable to work. A court would likely be quite sympathetic to this, and damages for an injury caused (where Amazon is the tortfeasor, or negligent party) is your right under the law of England and Wales.
Original post by arkhamz
I know I should feel bad but I use amazon so much that I honestly don't care as long as I get my goodies on time
Karma is a bitch. Your sociopathic disregard for other people will probably mean that you'll die alone.
Original post by majmuh24
Have you seen the conditions, they walk 10 miles every day and their mental health is at risk...
Would you put your mental health at stake just for a minimum wage?
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Would you put your mental health at stake just for a minimum wage?
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If we were given better quality boots the walking might not be so bad, but a hard hard floor with poor quality agency given boots is gonna make your feet hurt. Everything is fine for 3 hours, but by dinner your feet will be killing you. It's worth noting that different Amazon 'Fulfilment Centres' specialise in different sorts of products.
In some areas of the UK (especially up north) minimum wage is what most employers offer. It's all dead end warehousing jobs and retail jobs in areas in ex-industrial decline and with communities with many on the breadline. You could say Amazon exploits it's workforce.
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Original post by MostUncivilised
Karma is a bitch. Your sociopathic disregard for other people will probably mean that you'll die alone.
How cute, you actually believe in karma. Stay butthurt and keep up the nice assumptions.
I wonder if Amazon will bring about a huge lawsuit against the BBC or the person who wore that camera, pretty sure they would have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement as a condition of working there.
After watching this documentary which sounded like a bunch of bitches complaining about given too hard a job all I can say is I'm not surprised some day there'd be no Welsh working at that facility because it would be 100% Poles or Bulgarians or Romanians or a combination of all 3.
Conditions at it isn't any harder than a car assembly or components manufacturing plant both of which I once did a placement at. There has to be targets on employees otherwise cost controls would simply go through the roof, we should also remember most products these days don't come with huge margins to pick up any slack. Union or not, there will still be targets to meet. Conditions don't seem anything near as bad as an oil drilling facility or at a petroleum refinery to be honest, much of positions has just as many targets, no one complaints.
End of the day, it's either a job for you or a job for EU migrants or the plant can be automated which looking at it seems it could be done fairly easily if they wanted, probably for now it's still cheaper to provide jobs most likely due to the agreements they had with various governments.
After watching this documentary which sounded like a bunch of bitches complaining about given too hard a job all I can say is I'm not surprised some day there'd be no Welsh working at that facility because it would be 100% Poles or Bulgarians or Romanians or a combination of all 3.
Conditions at it isn't any harder than a car assembly or components manufacturing plant both of which I once did a placement at. There has to be targets on employees otherwise cost controls would simply go through the roof, we should also remember most products these days don't come with huge margins to pick up any slack. Union or not, there will still be targets to meet. Conditions don't seem anything near as bad as an oil drilling facility or at a petroleum refinery to be honest, much of positions has just as many targets, no one complaints.
End of the day, it's either a job for you or a job for EU migrants or the plant can be automated which looking at it seems it could be done fairly easily if they wanted, probably for now it's still cheaper to provide jobs most likely due to the agreements they had with various governments.
Original post by Ripper-Roo
I have nothing against hard work, but in reference to the article, it looks too heavy and probably for few rewards as well.
It didn't seem heavy to me, I walk around far more when I have to audit any oil production facilities and then coming out stinking of oil.
Original post by MostUncivilised
Unionise and force a change. People like you were saying in the 1830s that it was better that these wretches and guttersnipes had jobs, that fighting for better working conditions would cripple industry.
In fact, the advancement of technology and living standards has gone hand-in-hand with advances in workers rights and laws protecting health and safety. Your attitude, taken to its logical conclusion, would see us back in the early 19th century when you had 5 year olds working 12 hour days and sleeping next to their machines (and for whom there was often a life expectancy of no more than 10) in ghastly mills in the north.
In fact, the advancement of technology and living standards has gone hand-in-hand with advances in workers rights and laws protecting health and safety. Your attitude, taken to its logical conclusion, would see us back in the early 19th century when you had 5 year olds working 12 hour days and sleeping next to their machines (and for whom there was often a life expectancy of no more than 10) in ghastly mills in the north.
and how long will that take? Months? Years? Companies who expect to be paid for the electric they provide, or the water they provide, or the internet, or the car tax and insurance are not going tio accept "im waiting for better working conditions" as an excuse as to why i cant pay them
Original post by MostUncivilised
The Panorama programme says that if you take a day off sick you get a "point". If you get three points, you're sacked.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
And is easily countered by thier employment contract - if they get one that is. If the sickness system is clearly written down in a contract youve signed (and how many dont read thier employment contract and just plonk thier name on it) you cant argue it.
I hadnt heard about the UK government bringing this in about unfair dismissal. What was thier reasons behind it?
If you get that option then by all means take it. But in the meantime - your choice is crap work and crap wage or the dole - unlike what the daily mail says most people want to pay thier way. But its not that simple - you cna apply for a cleaning job, but so can everyone else.
Original post by S-man10
Dont like it dont work at it. Its that simple.
Trying working for Gordon Ramsey. He'll show you a thing or two about stress
Trying working for Gordon Ramsey. He'll show you a thing or two about stress
Supposedly though Gordon Ramsey is an excellent employer - yes hes a hard nose (what chef isnt) but he has above average pay, treats his staff right and looks after them as well
Original post by S-man10
Dont like it dont work at it. Its that simple.
Then there are other people saying to take the job because it's better than no job at all.
Original post by MostUncivilised
The Panorama programme says that if you take a day off sick you get a "point". If you get three points, you're sacked.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
This would certainly be considered an unfair dismissal, but the present government has introduced regulations that mean that you cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal until you've worked for an employer for two years.
When did the bastards sneak through that little gem? Absolutely outrageous.
How disgusting. I can't believe some of the callous 'they should be glad to h ave a job' brigade - I really can't believe that on a student forum, all members of this faction are completely insulated from the from the danger of having to sell themselves to an employer such as Amazon. I can only imagine that these attitudes can be in part driven by the fact that some people on this forum might fancy that they would one day be the ones owning businesses or employing. 
I think that this is a very important aspect of this. Independent booksellers are closing, and Amazon are refusing to pay the portion of the profits that they've taken from British businesses due to our treasury.
A thoroughly hateful company. Regulate the **** out of them.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Amazon are driving numerous high street businesses out of business, partly by refusing to pay taxes and engaging in very large scale tax evasion
I think that this is a very important aspect of this. Independent booksellers are closing, and Amazon are refusing to pay the portion of the profits that they've taken from British businesses due to our treasury.
A thoroughly hateful company. Regulate the **** out of them.
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