Would the removal of CHAVS make Britain a safer place?

What happens if they're not even intelligent enough to be able to cope with any course at college. This is the case for some people.

with "any" course?


There are plenty of courses which even people who aren't particularly intelligent can do.


tehjonny: yeah, that's the point exactly. Easy way out of a life with little prospects.

Yeah, I'm talking the really un-intelligent people who work their arses off to get 1 F and 2 G's at GCSE. Also, a lot of the courses cost money once you are over a certain age, 18 or 21 I think, which makes them prohibitive to the very poorest, especially if they can't aford not to work.

ok well if we're talking about them ones there's always something for them to do.

I don't know....hairdressing? It requires a pretty non-academic work to get the skills (I'm not saying it's easy but it doesn't require a great deal of intelligence but rather a degree of skill).

Cleaners?

Something involving a skill rather than intelligence - shoemaking perhaps.

Hairdressing requires intelligence, as you need to know about the chemicals involved in the creams, mousses, etc.
Shoemaking is generally done in third-world sweatshops nowadays.

Also, as I said, most people do work, there are less than one million people on jobseeker's allowance, which is around 3.5% of the population of employable age, not very high. Also, in order to get jobseeker's allowance, the person claiming has to convince someone at the job centre that they are actively seeking employment.

There are plenty of opportunities for these people if they get over the idea that the world owes them something and that getting pregnant is a good way out.

Do you know anyone like that or is it something you hav inferred from what you hear/see/read in the media. For someone who elsewhere seems to mention left-wing credentials, you have a very low opinion of the social security system.

I know many people like that - grow up poor and see getting pregnant and receiving a house as a good way out.

But it isn't a way out, it means they stay poor and it is due to poor education. I still don't see how removing the social housing safety net would help matters.

I don't want to remove the social housing safety net.

So for that reason, you tar everyone with the same brush? Do you do that with other minority cultures/sub-cultures?

First point, you didn't answer my question. Second, it depends on the sub-culture. I don't think that someons wearing a swastika armband, steel toed boots and a "SS" t-shirt is a friendly member of the local anti-racism society.

I think it is time we shove PC out the window and call a spade a spade.

To answer your question, I'm not sure, sometimes I would, sometimes I wouldn't. Quite often, I have found out by experience, some people who could be classed as chavvy I've misjudged and in fact were nice people.

Throw PC out of the window? So we can all use racist and inflammatory language?

No. I mean addressing problems with today's society. CHAV quite simply means a culture of criminality, violence and amorality.

If by chav you mean anyone with an aggressive attitude who frequently gets into trouble with the police and likes to fight, then I will agree with you that the issue needs dealing with.

My response was to your comment that PC needs throwing out of the window. People see political correctness as the evil bogeyman, when in fact the aim of PC is to try to prevent language being used that makes people feel threatened, e.g. racist terminology, my question was do you think people should use racist terms seiing as you are anti-PC? if not, what parts of PC do you disagree with?

No it does not make someone dangerous. But it does indicate that they probably are.

I doubt you would feel nice and safe if you encountered a gang of thus dressed boys on the street, would you?

Do you know anyone like that or is it something you hav inferred from what you hear/see/read in the media. For someone who elsewhere seems to mention left-wing credentials, you have a very low opinion of the social security system.