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Equity Research career trajectory.

Hi all.

I've just done a SW in IBD (M&A) which I didn't enjoy as much as I'd hoped and have another coming up.

In all my research, I've found myself becoming more and more attracted to Research. I had one interview for a SW in that particular division (Goldmans) and was unfortunately unsuccessful. However, after speaking to business representatives, I'm beginning to feel like my skill-set is better suited to research.

The better work-life balance is also more appealing and the work seems genuinely more appealing to me especially at the junior levels.

I'm curious as to whether anyone knows what the typical career progression is like. I'm aware that for IBD, typically it's analyst > associate/PE/HF. How much does it differ for sell side equity research analysts? Is the Business School and then progression onto a Hedge Fund still available?

After the analyst stint, what are your options likely to be? Also, I'm struggling to find much information on compensation.

I would try and get some experience in equity research, however, it's proving hard to come by. I'm also aware that in terms of headcount, Research is extremely competitive which makes me wary of putting all my eggs in one basket when it comes to applying for summer internships. Does anyone know roughly how many interns are likely to take per summer in Research?

Thanks!
(edited 10 years ago)
Yes it is possible, there is such a thing as buy side ER.
Just to add in ER, doesn't it go Associate to Analyst? Don't they have it the other way round in terms of career progression titles?

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Original post by will2348
Just to add in ER, doesn't it go Associate to Analyst? Don't they have it the other way round in terms of career progression titles?

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You're correct, however that seems like a fairly superfluous point/distinction.
Reply 4
bump.
Reply 5
I wouldn't count on moving from ER to PE, you might have heavy modelling knowledge but transactions are king if you want to go into PE. They recruit banking analysts, not from research.

However, for a career in HFs, I'd say ER prepares you much better than banking. You'll be modelling, covering several sectors and breathing markets everyday.

You're right headcount is much lower, and compensation at the analyst level will be similar but bankers will usually make more as they go up the ladder at a bank.
Reply 6
Original post by SonnyZH
I wouldn't count on moving from ER to PE, you might have heavy modelling knowledge but transactions are king if you want to go into PE. They recruit banking analysts, not from research.

However, for a career in HFs, I'd say ER prepares you much better than banking. You'll be modelling, covering several sectors and breathing markets everyday.

You're right headcount is much lower, and compensation at the analyst level will be similar but bankers will usually make more as they go up the ladder at a bank.


Thanks for the reply.

Would you say then that it's harder to get a SA offer in Research then IBD considering the difference in headcount?

I wouldn't necessarily want to move to the buyside etc, but wouldn't like to go into a role with no exit opps.

Do you know of any apparent downsides to Research? Having spoke to people from the division, It seems like the hours and 'doing real work from day 1 is why they chose it over IBD.

Tough decisions to make..
Reply 7
Original post by Cutmeloose
Thanks for the reply.

Would you say then that it's harder to get a SA offer in Research then IBD considering the difference in headcount?

I wouldn't necessarily want to move to the buyside etc, but wouldn't like to go into a role with no exit opps.

Do you know of any apparent downsides to Research? Having spoke to people from the division, It seems like the hours and 'doing real work from day 1 is why they chose it over IBD.

Tough decisions to make..


I've never recruited for research so can't say, but looking at numbers yes, the applicant/position ratio might be higher for research than IBD. I think the mindset for both positions is different, in IBD you're more dependant on dealflow and work your associate might lay on you but in research you have to be more autonomous and analytical and clients opinions count, a lot.

For hedge fund recruiting, as said before, research will prepare you better for a job as an investment analyst. But if you're worried about exit opps, banking is the way to go, especially if you're placed at a top group (i.e. MS M&A, GS FIG, etcetc.). Making the transition from one of these positions to PE, HFs, consulting, VCs or corporate strategy is much easier than if you're a research analyst.

It's hard to say because I've never worked on the research side of a bank, but I'd dare say 60-70% of the people in research are very interested in what they do whilst a remaining 30% are candidates who couldn't get into banking/trading. Take of this what you will.

Given my interests if I were to work at a bank, I'd take research over banking.
Original post by Cutmeloose
Hi all.

I've just done a SW in IBD (M&A) which I didn't enjoy as much as I'd hoped and have another coming up.

In all my research, I've found myself becoming more and more attracted to Research. I had one interview for a SW in that particular division (Goldmans) and was unfortunately unsuccessful. However, after speaking to business representatives, I'm beginning to feel like my skill-set is better suited to research.

The better work-life balance is also more appealing and the work seems genuinely more appealing to me especially at the junior levels.

I'm curious as to whether anyone knows what the typical career progression is like. I'm aware that for IBD, typically it's analyst > associate/PE/HF. How much does it differ for sell side equity research analysts? Is the Business School and then progression onto a Hedge Fund still available?

After the analyst stint, what are your options likely to be? Also, I'm struggling to find much information on compensation.

I would try and get some experience in equity research, however, it's proving hard to come by. I'm also aware that in terms of headcount, Research is extremely competitive which makes me wary of putting all my eggs in one basket when it comes to applying for summer internships. Does anyone know roughly how many interns are likely to take per summer in Research?

Thanks!


Equity Research Compensation (See Point 5): http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/177939/top-bankers-target-schools-earn-less-banking-pay-information/
Reply 9
Original post by Cutmeloose
Hi all.

I've just done a SW in IBD (M&A) which I didn't enjoy as much as I'd hoped and have another coming up.

In all my research, I've found myself becoming more and more attracted to Research. I had one interview for a SW in that particular division (Goldmans) and was unfortunately unsuccessful. However, after speaking to business representatives, I'm beginning to feel like my skill-set is better suited to research.

The better work-life balance is also more appealing and the work seems genuinely more appealing to me especially at the junior levels.

I'm curious as to whether anyone knows what the typical career progression is like. I'm aware that for IBD, typically it's analyst > associate/PE/HF. How much does it differ for sell side equity research analysts? Is the Business School and then progression onto a Hedge Fund still available?

After the analyst stint, what are your options likely to be? Also, I'm struggling to find much information on compensation.

I would try and get some experience in equity research, however, it's proving hard to come by. I'm also aware that in terms of headcount, Research is extremely competitive which makes me wary of putting all my eggs in one basket when it comes to applying for summer internships. Does anyone know roughly how many interns are likely to take per summer in Research?

Thanks!


It's very common for people to fall in love with ER after they've spent some time in other FO fields. Options are fine, exit opportunities-wise ER is up there, although IBD is still king in that regard, but ER easily triumphs S&T/Structuring etc. when it comes to exit opportunities.

You can go to the buy-side (both AM and HF), although transitions to PE are very rare, but doable (mostly to sector-specific shops where your in depth knowledge is valued and lack of transaction experience is overlooked a bit more). You can also go to IR of the companies that you've covered or other companies normally within your sector. Strategy and Corporate Development is also on the table whilst it can also prove to be a nice launching pad to executive positions at small-to-medium-sized companies within your space. MBA recruitment is also not a problem with an ER background.

Compensation is irrelevant at the junior level in the sense that everybody is making the same (any differences are normally trivial). This is especially true when you consider that ER people have quite a nice work-life balance (relatively). Once you go up, it is very variable as with all other FO roles. If you make the jump to Analyst and become II-ranked, it's 7 figures there.

Within ER, a lot of people gun for buy-side exits, so it's normally:

Associate for 1.5-4 years, then straight to AM/HF. You don't need an MBA for HF recruiting in most places and rarely will you be encouraged to get an MBA if you want to go down the HF route. An MBA for the mega-large AM shops like Fidelity, Wellington, T Rowe etc. is more common. Once again though, ER will not hold you back when it comes to gaining admission for B-School.

Headcount wise it is indeed very tough, some large places (think BAML, JPM) may take only 2-3 interns whilst much smaller places sometimes gearing up on recruitment, some won't take any at all for the year. May not be the smartest move to solely target sell-side ER, but if that's the field you want to go into, that's how you maximize your chances as you'll be 100% focused and you'll increasing your chances of absolutely killing it at interview/AC stage.
Original post by IB_Guru
It's very common for people to fall in love with ER after they've spent some time in other FO fields. Options are fine, exit opportunities-wise ER is up there, although IBD is still king in that regard, but ER easily triumphs S&T/Structuring etc. when it comes to exit opportunities.

You can go to the buy-side (both AM and HF), although transitions to PE are very rare, but doable (mostly to sector-specific shops where your in depth knowledge is valued and lack of transaction experience is overlooked a bit more). You can also go to IR of the companies that you've covered or other companies normally within your sector. Strategy and Corporate Development is also on the table whilst it can also prove to be a nice launching pad to executive positions at small-to-medium-sized companies within your space. MBA recruitment is also not a problem with an ER background.

Compensation is irrelevant at the junior level in the sense that everybody is making the same (any differences are normally trivial). This is especially true when you consider that ER people have quite a nice work-life balance (relatively). Once you go up, it is very variable as with all other FO roles. If you make the jump to Analyst and become II-ranked, it's 7 figures there.

Within ER, a lot of people gun for buy-side exits, so it's normally:

Associate for 1.5-4 years, then straight to AM/HF. You don't need an MBA for HF recruiting in most places and rarely will you be encouraged to get an MBA if you want to go down the HF route. An MBA for the mega-large AM shops like Fidelity, Wellington, T Rowe etc. is more common. Once again though, ER will not hold you back when it comes to gaining admission for B-School.

Headcount wise it is indeed very tough, some large places (think BAML, JPM) may take only 2-3 interns whilst much smaller places sometimes gearing up on recruitment, some won't take any at all for the year. May not be the smartest move to solely target sell-side ER, but if that's the field you want to go into, that's how you maximize your chances as you'll be 100% focused and you'll increasing your chances of absolutely killing it at interview/AC stage.


Thanks, this post was very helpful. Planning to split my applications between IBD/Research and possibly Asset Management, largely to do with the headcount issues.

Out of interest, any opinion of what kind of individual research tends to attract in your experience, or is that too general a question?





Cheers!
Reply 11
Original post by Cutmeloose
Thanks, this post was very helpful. Planning to split my applications between IBD/Research and possibly Asset Management, largely to do with the headcount issues.

Out of interest, any opinion of what kind of individual research tends to attract in your experience, or is that too general a question?

Cheers!


ER/AM is normally a more natural combination, but ER/IBD is also nice due to the fact that there is a lot of overlap in terms of financial modelling etc. So that sounds like a plan. Just be sure to have really good and genuine reasons when answering the question as to why you want to go into X.

It would be a bit of a generalization to answer with clear certainty. The general stereotype is that ER tends to attract more introverted personalities, although I'd say it is not necessarily the case (although on a relative basis, it is normally the case when compared to S&T let's say). Normally people in ER like to do quite a bit of independent work and they like the autonomy that they get in an ER context, also people within ER tend to be more academic with great credentials (one could even say that at certain shops there is a focus only on top-performing target students as this helps with gaining credibility from clients and you're in general more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt if you tick all boxes in that regard). In ER you can be left to your own devices at times, so you have to be able to solve problems on your own as your responsibilities will solely depend on your boss (Analyst) and you could be doing your own coverage within 1.5 years of smaller-cap stocks.

Not sure whether that really answers your question since the people do vary, both in terms of background and in terms of personality (e.g. analytical vs. relationship builders).
I wanted to ask about this career path:

How likely is it for me to get a job in ER with:

1) Big Four Audit and ACA qualified
2) 0.5-1.5 years in Corporate Finance or Business Modelling within the Big Four
3) CFA Level 1 and possibly L2 under my belt

Would that be a decent setup to get into ER?
Reply 13
Original post by snakesnake
I wanted to ask about this career path:

How likely is it for me to get a job in ER with:

1) Big Four Audit and ACA qualified
2) 0.5-1.5 years in Corporate Finance or Business Modelling within the Big Four
3) CFA Level 1 and possibly L2 under my belt

Would that be a decent setup to get into ER?


It was much more common back in the days, but a Big 4 background with ACA/ACCA is still valued very highly (for obvious reasons). So in short, yes - you will get looks for ER positions assuming hiring is decent at the time.
Reply 14
Original post by Cutmeloose
Thanks, this post was very helpful. Planning to split my applications between IBD/Research and possibly Asset Management, largely to do with the headcount issues.

Out of interest, any opinion of what kind of individual research tends to attract in your experience, or is that too general a question?





Cheers!


I'm planning to do the same. In terms of applying for AM at BB, will you apply for AM and ER or just one of them? Also, any idea when AM apps open?
Original post by kieronspitter
I'm planning to do the same. In terms of applying for AM at BB, will you apply for AM and ER or just one of them? Also, any idea when AM apps open?


Currently doing an internship within AM firm, so unsure. I will probably lean more towards IBD and Research.

I'm not sure, guessing it should be similar to the IBs. I'm not sure if recruiting is rolling though as I applied on deadline day last year for Schroders and made it all the way.
Original post by IB_Guru
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Very helpful, thank you.

You seem to be past the summer recruitment cycle, so just wondered generally speaking how technical do IBD summer interviews get?

(Assumed that you're on the IB side, apologies if this is not the case!)
Reply 17
Original post by Cutmeloose
Very helpful, thank you.

You seem to be past the summer recruitment cycle, so just wondered generally speaking how technical do IBD summer interviews get?

(Assumed that you're on the IB side, apologies if this is not the case!)


Not overly so, but it depends from place to place. In short, if you had a look at the WSO Technical Guide, that covers more than enough technical knowledge wise.

There are places that would grill you a bit more, e.g. GS PIA, GS Investment Partners, some elite boutiques.
Original post by IB_Guru
Not overly so, but it depends from place to place. In short, if you had a look at the WSO Technical Guide, that covers more than enough technical knowledge wise.

There are places that would grill you a bit more, e.g. GS PIA, GS Investment Partners, some elite boutiques.


For IBD technicals, do you think that you'd need to run through numbers/calculations? or would the theory suffice?
Reply 19
Original post by liarpoker
For IBD technicals, do you think that you'd need to run through numbers/calculations? or would the theory suffice?


I've never received a numerical question that would be tied in with something technical like valuation. It's mostly a theoretical/conceptual discussion. So I'd say chances are very low.

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