Is Yorkshire independence a &#x27;good or bad&#x27; thing?

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Reply 1

Rakas21

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I live in West Yorkshire and i very much wish to remain as part of the UK.

If we must be independent then we need to drop a few of the drains from the map below, namely Rotherham, Doncaster and Goole

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Reply 2

Bad if it means no more Yorkshire Tea...

Reply 3

username878045

Kind of ****s over everywhere in England North of Yorkshire. :tongue:

If everyone hates Westminster so much, vote them out? Most of the UK's constituencies aren't in London. Becoming independent because the party in power isn't the one you voted for is ridiculous.

Reply 4

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Original post by PythianLegume

Kind of ****s over everywhere in England North of Yorkshire. :tongue:

If everyone hates Westminster so much, vote them out? Most of the UK's constituencies aren't in London. Becoming independent because the party in power isn't the one you voted for is ridiculous.

We want independence from the institution of Westminster, not the government. Westminster has an unelected House of Lords for which WE CANNOT VOTE OUT. It has laws for WHICH WE DON'T VOTE FOR and can't. We don't choose Primeministerial candidates from political parties, the parties do it for us. We do not propose laws.

Every 5 years we vote for a government which has no obligation to fulfill it's promises. Every 5 years we have a government that the majority of the country are against. Why is this?

Please check out the video linked in the original post entitled 'FPTP'. It explains how our FPTP system allows for a minority government to rule over a majority that did not vote for it.

Did you vote for the coalition? If you voted Lib dem or Tory did you vote for them to be in a coalition? Did you vote for the bedroom tax.

No, you voted for a name, a name that can do whatever it wants and has no accountability.

Original post by Mackay

Bad if it means no more Yorkshire Tea...

Yorkshire can still trade it's finest export, that along with Yorkshire puddings and whippets.

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Reply 5

username878045

Original post by KrisCussans

We want independence from the institution of Westminster, not the government. Westminster has an unelected House of Lords for which WE CANNOT VOTE OUT. It has laws for WHICH WE DON'T VOTE FOR and can't. We don't choose Primeministerial candidates from political parties, the parties do it for us. We do not propose laws.

Every 5 years we vote for a government which has no obligation to fulfill it's promises. Every 5 years we have a government that the majority of the country are against. Why is this?

Please check out the video linked in the original post entitled 'FPTP'. It explains how our FPTP system allows for a minority government to rule over a majority that did not vote for it.

Did you vote for the coalition? If you voted Lib dem or Tory did you vote for them to be in a coalition? Did you vote for the bedroom tax.

No, you voted for a name, a name that can do whatever it wants and has no accountability.

:tongue:

Yorkshire can still trade it's finest export, that along with Yorkshire puddings and whippets.

Well then you can vote for a party which promises Parliamentary reform.

Reply 6

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Original post by PythianLegume

Well then you can vote for a party which promises Parliamentary reform.

No you can't.

Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

What chance do third parties have in a FPTP general election? How is it in the interest of a broadchurch parties like New Labour or the Tories to reform anything in the way of our broken political system?

Reply 7

Original post by KrisCussans

Yorkshire can still trade it's finest export, that along with Yorkshire puddings and whippets.

And Arctic Monkeys, Pulp, Tetley's, the Bronte sisters, Chris Morris, Educating Yorkshire...what a region.

Reply 8

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Original post by Mackay

And Arctic Monkeys, Pulp, Tetley's, the Bronte sisters, Chris Morris, Educating Yorkshire...what a region.

You forget Brian Blessed and Sean Bean. :tongue:

Wallace and Gromit is a classic too.

Yorkshire's got some creativity like elsewhere, it would just have more chance to flourish without Westminster bringing in minority governments, introducing laws we don't want and so on etc. etc.

I'm not a regionalist, I'm not a Yorkshirephile (if that's a word), I simply think that independence is the best way to stop Westminster and strike us a better deal. Similar to that of Scotland, they don't want independence for the sake of Braveheart, shortbread and haggis. It is for bettering their political system.

Reply 9

Original post by KrisCussans

Wallace and Gromit is a classic too.

Cheese!

Reply 10

FredOrJohn

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I think a FEDERAL UK Would be Good.
We need a "no" vote to achieve this.

Reply 11

Right, I don't want to get involved in this too much but, Jesus Christ, a federal UK would be a hellish idea.

Reply 12

FredOrJohn

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Original post by Mackay

Right, I don't want to get involved in this too much but, Jesus Christ, a federal UK would be a hellish idea.

In what sense?
It works well in Germany, Canada, Australia, Switzerland, and American.

Why is it hellish?

Reply 13

Jordooooom

Brilliantly said.

Can you copy and paste the first couple of paragraphs on the scottish independence thread? Some on there are seriously misguided as to why some of us want independence.

Reply 14

FredOrJohn

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Original post by Jordooooom

Brilliantly said.

Can you copy and paste the first couple of paragraphs on the scottish independence thread? Some on there are seriously misguided as to why some of us want independence.

Oh no we're not...

Reply 15

mrfletch

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Original post by FredOrJohn

I think a FEDERAL UK Would be Good.
We need a "no" vote to achieve this.

Nailed it. We should totally do that. Some people say Britain's too small but Germany's split into sixteen Bundesländer so we could make do with a few fewer than that quite easily. People would feel so much better represented. It's a shame there isn't enough demand for it.

Reply 16

RF_PineMarten

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Devolution for Yorkshire and other regions would definitely be a good idea - it would give people living in that region more power over how their region is run. Yorkshire's economy is apparently bigger than that of Wales, but Wales has some powers devolved. Our current system is far too London-centric and that needs to change.

Full independence for Yorkshire would probably be a bad idea and is not on the cards at the moment, but I'm not quite sure myself. You never know how circumstances might change over the next few decades.

Reply 17

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Original post by RFowler

Devolution for Yorkshire and other regions would definitely be a good idea - it would give people living in that region more power over how their region is run. Yorkshire's economy is apparently bigger than that of Wales, but Wales has some powers devolved. Our current system is far too London-centric and that needs to change.

Exactly, it makes sense that Yorkshire a country with more population and a larger economy get devolution, but yet it has not been offered.

Original post by RFowler

Full independence for Yorkshire would probably be a bad idea and is not on the cards at the moment, but I'm not quite sure myself. You never know how circumstances might change over the next few decades.

A bad idea how?
It seems to look like a good idea for Scotland at the moment.

Reply 18

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