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The Human Record
Why are we not using the internet to record our humanity? Do you think we should?
Is this INCREDIBLY important in today's digital world? Technology is advancing at an incredible rate and whether we like it or not, every major university in the world has a department that is dedicated to working on and developing artificial intelligence.
The question today is not if it will come about, but when will it. It should be absolutely critical to have a digital data set on all aspects of humanity so that when artificial intelligence does start to play a role in our society, in business and in government planning, we have something of our humanity that can be referenced.
When it does comes about, students and scholars of today are going to be affected by it the most.
What do you think?
http://humanopinion.org
Is this INCREDIBLY important in today's digital world? Technology is advancing at an incredible rate and whether we like it or not, every major university in the world has a department that is dedicated to working on and developing artificial intelligence.
The question today is not if it will come about, but when will it. It should be absolutely critical to have a digital data set on all aspects of humanity so that when artificial intelligence does start to play a role in our society, in business and in government planning, we have something of our humanity that can be referenced.
When it does comes about, students and scholars of today are going to be affected by it the most.
What do you think?
http://humanopinion.org
What do you think?
i think you should stop spamming
Thanks for the constructive criticism, I have moved the link that was so offensive. Now it is just a question. What do you think?
kam
Someones probably already done it...most likely one of those chaps working on the AI.
If we get near to an AI breakthrough, I think someone will have whatever information is needed, ready.
I don't think it's going to happen any time soon, so I don't think we need to worry about it.
If we get near to an AI breakthrough, I think someone will have whatever information is needed, ready.
I don't think it's going to happen any time soon, so I don't think we need to worry about it.
Yeah, the scientists who wanted to create an artificial "Noah's Ark" almost definately have all the data there. They wanted to be able to recreate humanity if it gets destroyed, so I think all important historical data, etc is all there.
I just hope there is also a guide on how to not screw things up again.
Life for Dummies
Hi Kam
Have they???? Have you contributed to that data set? Do you not think it should be a free, open and unbaised collective of human opinion? If it has been done then it has not been do to include all people. We are talking about a place where anyone and everyone can contribute to the human record.
AI is closer than most of us think. We have already built a neural network (e.g. the internet) and we are putting all of our data into it and getting multiple distributed systems to analyse it, is that not the beginning of AI?
People tend to move away from the topic of AI as it is seen as to be in the realm of sci-fi.
The man who invented html (15 years ago), Tim Berners-Lee has been proposing a new web 2, not the web 2.0 we know today, but a web based on a common data format. This would enable applications to query multiple data sets in distributed locations and mash (analyse) the data. This would be a rudimentary form of AI.
AI could develop quite rapidly and could roll out quietly without much public knowledge of the overall implications. This will probably occur through the implementation of many AI related technologies coming online and slowly starting to interact. Bear in mind the Internet is ONLY 15 years old.
Recording our humanity in a digital format, must hold some value in the long term.
Have they???? Have you contributed to that data set? Do you not think it should be a free, open and unbaised collective of human opinion? If it has been done then it has not been do to include all people. We are talking about a place where anyone and everyone can contribute to the human record.
AI is closer than most of us think. We have already built a neural network (e.g. the internet) and we are putting all of our data into it and getting multiple distributed systems to analyse it, is that not the beginning of AI?
People tend to move away from the topic of AI as it is seen as to be in the realm of sci-fi.
The man who invented html (15 years ago), Tim Berners-Lee has been proposing a new web 2, not the web 2.0 we know today, but a web based on a common data format. This would enable applications to query multiple data sets in distributed locations and mash (analyse) the data. This would be a rudimentary form of AI.
AI could develop quite rapidly and could roll out quietly without much public knowledge of the overall implications. This will probably occur through the implementation of many AI related technologies coming online and slowly starting to interact. Bear in mind the Internet is ONLY 15 years old.
Recording our humanity in a digital format, must hold some value in the long term.
Deus
Yeah, the scientists who wanted to create an artificial "Noah's Ark" almost definately have all the data there. They wanted to be able to recreate humanity if it gets destroyed, so I think all important historical data, etc is all there.
I just hope there is also a guide on how to not screw things up again.
Life for Dummies
I just hope there is also a guide on how to not screw things up again.
Life for Dummies
Hey Deus
We are not talking about a genetic record here we are talking about our humanity, our thoughts, views, morals, values, etc.
Hey Deus
Why would personal views be impossible???? Is that not what drives the internet on a day to day basis. It drives this forum. Today there are over a billion people online, why is it not possible to capture their opinion on things that are relevant to them? Is it just because it has not been done?
It can be done and would that not produce a form of collective intelligence?
In the time is has taken us to discuss this issue in the forum, we could have voiced our opinions on a fair number of things, permanently, recorded for future generations. That is the power we have today, people around the world have died for the right to voice their opinion, we now have the ability to do this whenever we choose, should we not collectively exercise this right. Of course, everyone has the right not to not voice their opinion.
Why would personal views be impossible???? Is that not what drives the internet on a day to day basis. It drives this forum. Today there are over a billion people online, why is it not possible to capture their opinion on things that are relevant to them? Is it just because it has not been done?
It can be done and would that not produce a form of collective intelligence?
In the time is has taken us to discuss this issue in the forum, we could have voiced our opinions on a fair number of things, permanently, recorded for future generations. That is the power we have today, people around the world have died for the right to voice their opinion, we now have the ability to do this whenever we choose, should we not collectively exercise this right. Of course, everyone has the right not to not voice their opinion.
But why should people care what I think about Abortion/Gay Marriage/Religion/Elephants/Cheese/Birds/The colour yellow?
You see there is far too much information. You could spend your entire life telling people your views on things, and some may choose to listen, but most will not.
People should be left to make their own minds up about issues they face. I do not think it would be a good idea, but then again, that's just my opinion; and as I said before, there is no reason why you should listen to me.
You see there is far too much information. You could spend your entire life telling people your views on things, and some may choose to listen, but most will not.
People should be left to make their own minds up about issues they face. I do not think it would be a good idea, but then again, that's just my opinion; and as I said before, there is no reason why you should listen to me.
Blarrrg.
How can it be permanent? Mankind has already left a pretty significant record of itself I think. A chaotic, disparate record, but a record none the less. I really don't see the point in a permanent Big Bumber Book of Humanity.
How can it be permanent? Mankind has already left a pretty significant record of itself I think. A chaotic, disparate record, but a record none the less. I really don't see the point in a permanent Big Bumber Book of Humanity.
Hey Deus
So why do we vote? Everyone's opinion must count in a free and fair society, some people may have a more influencial opinion than others. I appreciate your right to not think it is a good idea although it saddens me.
So why do we vote? Everyone's opinion must count in a free and fair society, some people may have a more influencial opinion than others. I appreciate your right to not think it is a good idea
although it saddens me.Hey Cocaine Socialist (interesting name)
Why a big bummer book? That is the trouble with us when we think of opinion, we think of heavy issues. Humanity is made up of so much more than just doom and gloom. Further, there are things happening in technology, bioscience and physics that I believe a lot of people do not know about, should know about and may wish to have an opinion on. Advancement in all fields is occuring exponentially and it seems as if we may be running headlong into new problems, that society today has not even thought about.
We did this during our advanced industrisation period and thought our developments were fantastically beneficial. Although they were beneficial, they came with a price as well, which we did not foresee. Although the sciencists and the people making advances today have the most knowledge in their given fields, the convergence of the sciences today introduces uncertainties as to what impacts any developments will have.
There is a saying in the open source development community, "With enough eyes all bugs are shallow.". Meaning that with enough people considering a problem, the solutions become simpler.
Perhaps a big bummer book of humanity may not have value, but perhaps we should try and create one before condemning the idea out right.
Is there any value in collective wisdom?
Why a big bummer book? That is the trouble with us when we think of opinion, we think of heavy issues. Humanity is made up of so much more than just doom and gloom. Further, there are things happening in technology, bioscience and physics that I believe a lot of people do not know about, should know about and may wish to have an opinion on. Advancement in all fields is occuring exponentially and it seems as if we may be running headlong into new problems, that society today has not even thought about.
We did this during our advanced industrisation period and thought our developments were fantastically beneficial. Although they were beneficial, they came with a price as well, which we did not foresee. Although the sciencists and the people making advances today have the most knowledge in their given fields, the convergence of the sciences today introduces uncertainties as to what impacts any developments will have.
There is a saying in the open source development community, "With enough eyes all bugs are shallow.". Meaning that with enough people considering a problem, the solutions become simpler.
Perhaps a big bummer book of humanity may not have value, but perhaps we should try and create one before condemning the idea out right.
Is there any value in collective wisdom?
I think I misunderstood. Very sleepy.
But anyway yes I think there probably is some value in collective wisdom. But the thing is, what could this AI learn from a record of mass opinions? That there can be found somebody to support literally any stance on any subject ever? I mean really, what would it achieve except highlight the overwhelming diversity?
But anyway yes I think there probably is some value in collective wisdom. But the thing is, what could this AI learn from a record of mass opinions? That there can be found somebody to support literally any stance on any subject ever? I mean really, what would it achieve except highlight the overwhelming diversity?
Cocaine Socialist
I think I misunderstood. Very sleepy.
But anyway yes I think there probably is some value in collective wisdom. But the thing is, what could this AI learn from a record of mass opinions? That there can be found somebody to support literally any stance on any subject ever? I mean really, what would it achieve except highlight the overwhelming diversity?
But anyway yes I think there probably is some value in collective wisdom. But the thing is, what could this AI learn from a record of mass opinions? That there can be found somebody to support literally any stance on any subject ever? I mean really, what would it achieve except highlight the overwhelming diversity?
Hey Cocaine Socialist
Highlighting the overwhelming diversity in itself, may be a wonderful thing! Today there is a lot of work being done into semantic technology, it is the holy grail of the search world. Once semantic search has been achieved, value of data will increase greatly, semantics will allow all that diversity to be linked through conatation, contextual. Therefore, if 50 people were to request opinions on the same subject, semantic analysis would group those all together and present them either individually or in an amalgated form. We hope to use community intelligence to reduce duplication of topics, similar to other community based sites first. In the long term in all honesty no body has any idea what value data will have as we are constantly on the threshold of new discoveries.
The value that a data set of this nature would have to anthropologists, sociologists, historians and future generations can not be fathomed today, but it stands to reason that people's opinion do hold value.
From an environmental point of view, we collect data on everything we can, that has an affect on our environment. Yet today, with all the technology we have and the access that so many people have to the internet, we still do not collect data on human opinion, which is by far the most significant biotic factor in environmental change.
What can be done with this type of database in the future? We are not certain, but one thing that seems certain to us is that a record should be kept, especially since it is possible to keep one now. We only hope that a great number of other people can recognise this importance as well, especially young people as they will affected by developments in the future as will their children.
It is a a humbling thing to remember that the internet is only 15 years old... what will the next 15 years bring and what impacts will it have on society?
This is interesting http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=414 even though its a bit dated now.
That is really interesting... One assumes that in 1936 Dr. Thornwell Jacobs did not foresee the possibility that there may not be a 8113 A.D. as the human civilisation. A very far sighted and worthwhile undertaking, whichever way you look at it. It is interesting how different generations view the future, what would Dr Jacobs think of doing today?
Lets hope that in the future his vision holds a huge value for the ones that stumble onto it.
Lets hope that in the future his vision holds a huge value for the ones that stumble onto it.
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