What do you consider long term relationship material v short fling material?

Long term (marriage): a woman who is passive, submissive, doesn't argue, doesn't cause arguments or trouble, has very strong values, doesn't moan and complain about small things, is patient, does what she is told, doesn't demand big things, is easy going and relaxed. A woman who isn't stubborn, sneaky or difficult.

Long term (marriage): a woman who is passive, submissive, doesn't argue, doesn't cause arguments or trouble, has very strong values, doesn't moan and complain about small things, is patient, does what she is told, doesn't demand big things, is easy going and relaxed. A woman who isn't stubborn, sneaky or difficult.

Sounds like one hell of a boring relationship. Good luck finding a woman who has "strong values" but "doesn't cause arguments". If someone is passionate about anything, and someone else views their beliefs with disdain or disregard, then they're going to defend them. Psychology 101, dude.

I'll agree with you on not unnecessarily demanding extravagant gifts, and being sneaky/difficult. The rest of it is very subjective, and I can 90% guarantee you that you won't find someone who will check off everything on that list.

Long term (marriage): a woman who is passive, submissive, doesn't argue, doesn't cause arguments or trouble, has very strong values, doesn't moan and complain about small things, is patient, does what she is told, doesn't demand big things, is easy going and relaxed. A woman who isn't stubborn, sneaky or difficult.

Fling: slutty girls, girls who give it away really easily, loose women, girls with low self esteem and girls who have no self respect. Must be attractive and sexy.

Type of girls I wouldn't consider for either: unattractive girls.

Looks are pretty much the only thing that matters, unless you want to marry the girl, in which case you need to address her other qualities and bad traits.

Good luck mate.

Boring how? You want a wife or a long term partner who is difficult, argumentative, loud and grumpy? Is that really what you want? The thing about a long term relationship is that you're going to be living with that person and seeing them every single day in some cases, so that's why my potential wife MUST be relaxed easy going, I can't be dealing with arguments every single day. I prefer boring over a miserable relationship full of arguing and stubbornness.

I know with absolute certainty that the woman I am searching for does not exist. Modern women are very demanding. They demand expensive weddings, they demand extravagant romantic gestures, they expect to be treated like queens. They love to stir up arguments and disagree with their man just for the sake of being difficult. This is why hopefully I won't ever get married or get involved in any more long term relationships. I'm not built for it, I'm too easily annoyed by annoying women. There are no submissive women anymore. Women have developed a taste for independence and bitchiness, it's a shame really.

Boring how? You want a wife or a long term partner who is difficult, argumentative, loud and grumpy? Is that really what you want? The thing about a long term relationship is that you're going to be living with that person and seeing them every single day in some cases, so that's why my potential wife MUST be relaxed and easy going, I can't be dealing with arguments every single day. I prefer boring over a miserable relationship full of arguing and stubbornness.
I know with absolute certainty that the woman I am searching for does not exist. Modern women are very demanding. They demand expensive weddings, they demand extravagant romantic gestures, they expect to be treated like queens. They love to stir up arguments and disagree with their man just for the sake of being difficult. This is why hopefully I won't ever get married or get involved in any more long term relationships. I'm not built for it, I'm too easily annoyed by annoying women. There are no submissive women anymore. Women have developed a taste for independence and bitchiness, it's a shame really.

Not all of us do.

I'm probably one of the closest women around to fit your description in the OP. But then, I'm not really a 'modern woman' - I would have suited being born eras ago more

I blame Hollywood and the music industry for corrupting the minds of young girls. They expect their boyfriends to throw huge birthday celebrations for them, they'd be disappointed if they didn't receive an expensive engagement ring, they'd feel unappreciated if their boyfriends didn't frequently take them to expensive restaurants and buy them plenty of gifts. That's just my own personal experience. No woman would let you throw her a modest wedding, you need to spend tens of thousands of pounds to satisfy them and their families. And I suck at romantic gestures and "cute things" because I just don't do that, it makes me cringe. Things like birthday cards, gifts, anniversaries...not for me. Exotic holiday twice a year? No thank you.

Arguments are fun. Not emotion-laden arguments over forgetting to put the toilet seat down or not buying enough milk, but arguments in the sense of debating. How can you know the limits of someone if you never have an argument with them? How can you judge how passionate someone is about something if you've never seem them put any emotion (while not losing a semblance of rationality) into a debate?

Sounds like you want a woman who will agree with you over everything. Let me be the first to say that life isn't like that. Good luck



Really? My girlfriend doesn't. I know she's not the exception to the "rule" because I know plenty of other women who are like her. I also know plenty of women who are exactly as you've described, but you can't tar them all with the same brush.

Yeah, damn women eternally for having an independent streak

You're not a king, stop expecting to be treated like one. Kinda ironic that you want a woman who won't ask for anything yet you seem to be expecting your next girlfriend to agree with you on everything.

Ok... did you even read my post...? And stop rambling, you just sound bitter.

You've got a bad attitude man. So mean.

You've got a bad attitude man. So mean.

What more can be said?

Long term (marriage): a woman who is passive, submissive, doesn't argue, doesn't cause arguments or trouble, has very strong values, doesn't moan and complain about small things, is patient, does what she is told, doesn't demand big things, is easy going and relaxed. A woman who isn't stubborn, sneaky or difficult.
Fling: slutty girls, girls who give it away really easily, loose women, girls with low self esteem and girls who have no self respect. Must be attractive and sexy.
Type of girls I wouldn't consider for either: unattractive girls.
Looks are pretty much the only thing that matters, unless you want to marry the girl, in which case you need to address her other qualities and bad traits.