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Abra
No, but it's easy to switch. I mean, what's the difference to an IB between Pure Maths or Maths with Engineering? I get £500 every year for Maths with Engineering. If there's not much difference surely I can do Maths with Engineering and be better of financially? (btw Engineering = 1/4th of the degree)
unless you're really struggling with money, don't be fooled by a measly £500 a year.do whichever degree you believe you could honestly do the best in, i would do straight maths if aiming for IB,
Abra
No, but it's easy to switch. I mean, what's the difference between Pure Maths and Maths with Engineering? I get £500 every year for Maths with Engineering. If there's not much difference should I do Maths with Engineering and be better of financially?
The difference is around 25% of your degree (which is a fair bit) will involve Engineering, and I'm guessing the degree will focus more on the applied side of Maths.
Abra
Thanks for the comments. So what do you guys recommend? Maths and £500 or Straight Maths?
If you think the choice is that simple, then make the decision yourself.
What do I recommend? That you look at the courses in more detail and see which one appeals to you more since, reputation wise, I'm guessing they're similar. Sorry, I just can't see how you think 'Maths with Engineering' is the same as straight maths.
g2da
Philosophy is probably the most unemployable degree available out of the traditional subjects.
i really doubt that.philosophy is one of the disciplines that will make ur brain go on fire
try reading kant,hegel,wittgenstein and tell me what u think.as for employable or not u wrong.the skills that u develop whilst studying philo are way above ur regular degrees like history,english,arts,management,etc.ask people abt it.im not worried abt its employability in general because i know its pretty high,was just wondering for IBs.
I have tried reading Hegel, Kant especially, despite being remarkably deep I wonder how relelvent some of what Hegel and Kant say about life really is. Never-the-less, it's remarkably complex stuff, I don't deny that Philosophy is one of the hardest degrees - I'm just saying it's unemployable.
Okay.Ive posted the same question on a different forum and got this very interesting remark from one of the members of that forum:
"I study applied math economics and I would consider my major to be Almost as "irrelevant" as Philosophy when it comes to IB. Subject relevance DOESN'T MATTER. Sending signals about your innate qualities matters (at the analyst level).
If you come from a very strong school and you have the pitching skills to use your major to prove that you can A) work hard, B) work smart, C) learn fast -- then you'll be set.
Conduct the following thought experiment:
- You have two individuals.
- Individual A is in the top 99th percentile worldwide in terms of intelligence and productivity.
- Individual B is in the top 70th percentile.
- Assume that individual A learns and applies skills at a SUBSTANTIALLY greater rate than individual B. Individual A goes to university and studies a pure (albeit, not directly applicable) discipline for four years.
- Individual B goes to university and studies a practical discipline (ie. Finance/Accounting) for four years.
- Assume that individual A is sufficiently talented to learn the most relevant bits of individual B's course material in 2 months (of intense training at a BB firm).
- Individual A has the luxury of studying philosophy for four years because he knows (and many employers recognize) that he can pick up the entry-level skills for any job in a very short period of time.
If you're a top philosophy/IR/politics student at a top school, I don't think you're at any disadvantage over any other major (assuming you have the same access to recruiters as students in other departments). If you're making a decision between philosophy/IR/politics, I recommend you go with the one that lets you demonstrate the most excellence."
that says alot about this whole argument on whether art/non-eco students can enter the IB world
"I study applied math economics and I would consider my major to be Almost as "irrelevant" as Philosophy when it comes to IB. Subject relevance DOESN'T MATTER. Sending signals about your innate qualities matters (at the analyst level).
If you come from a very strong school and you have the pitching skills to use your major to prove that you can A) work hard, B) work smart, C) learn fast -- then you'll be set.
Conduct the following thought experiment:
- You have two individuals.
- Individual A is in the top 99th percentile worldwide in terms of intelligence and productivity.
- Individual B is in the top 70th percentile.
- Assume that individual A learns and applies skills at a SUBSTANTIALLY greater rate than individual B. Individual A goes to university and studies a pure (albeit, not directly applicable) discipline for four years.
- Individual B goes to university and studies a practical discipline (ie. Finance/Accounting) for four years.
- Assume that individual A is sufficiently talented to learn the most relevant bits of individual B's course material in 2 months (of intense training at a BB firm).
- Individual A has the luxury of studying philosophy for four years because he knows (and many employers recognize) that he can pick up the entry-level skills for any job in a very short period of time.
If you're a top philosophy/IR/politics student at a top school, I don't think you're at any disadvantage over any other major (assuming you have the same access to recruiters as students in other departments). If you're making a decision between philosophy/IR/politics, I recommend you go with the one that lets you demonstrate the most excellence."
that says alot about this whole argument on whether art/non-eco students can enter the IB world
g2da
I have tried reading Hegel, Kant especially, despite being remarkably deep I wonder how relelvent some of what Hegel and Kant say about life really is. Never-the-less, it's remarkably complex stuff, I don't deny that Philosophy is one of the hardest degrees - I'm just saying it's unemployable.
You quite obviously don't know what you're talking about. How is it any different from any other arts degrees? Or are you saying all Arts degrees are equally unemployable? You seem to argue that because subject matter may be irrelevant to certain fields; it is bereft of usefulness. The same reasoning may lead one to conclude Maths is an unemployable degree because some of the subject matter is irrelevant to banking at least (Dimension theory or Non-Euclidian Geometry - someone correct me if im wrong
) The interrelatedness of philosophy and Mathematics is clear from the number of joint degrees combining these disciplines if they can be so called distinct disciplines on offer at reputable Universities; therefore making it more employable in the Banking sector than all other arts degrees. May I again iterate the point that the skills acquired in studying Hegel for instance are employable as the previous poster has rightly said.andy87
Okay.Ive posted the same question on a different forum and got this very interesting remark from one of the members of that forum:
"I study applied math economics and I would consider my major to be Almost as "irrelevant" as Philosophy when it comes to IB. Subject relevance DOESN'T MATTER. Sending signals about your innate qualities matters (at the analyst level).
If you come from a very strong school and you have the pitching skills to use your major to prove that you can A) work hard, B) work smart, C) learn fast -- then you'll be set.
Conduct the following thought experiment:
- You have two individuals.
- Individual A is in the top 99th percentile worldwide in terms of intelligence and productivity.
- Individual B is in the top 70th percentile.
- Assume that individual A learns and applies skills at a SUBSTANTIALLY greater rate than individual B. Individual A goes to university and studies a pure (albeit, not directly applicable) discipline for four years.
- Individual B goes to university and studies a practical discipline (ie. Finance/Accounting) for four years.
- Assume that individual A is sufficiently talented to learn the most relevant bits of individual B's course material in 2 months (of intense training at a BB firm).
- Individual A has the luxury of studying philosophy for four years because he knows (and many employers recognize) that he can pick up the entry-level skills for any job in a very short period of time.
If you're a top philosophy/IR/politics student at a top school, I don't think you're at any disadvantage over any other major (assuming you have the same access to recruiters as students in other departments). If you're making a decision between philosophy/IR/politics, I recommend you go with the one that lets you demonstrate the most excellence."
that says alot about this whole argument on whether art/non-eco students can enter the IB world
"I study applied math economics and I would consider my major to be Almost as "irrelevant" as Philosophy when it comes to IB. Subject relevance DOESN'T MATTER. Sending signals about your innate qualities matters (at the analyst level).
If you come from a very strong school and you have the pitching skills to use your major to prove that you can A) work hard, B) work smart, C) learn fast -- then you'll be set.
Conduct the following thought experiment:
- You have two individuals.
- Individual A is in the top 99th percentile worldwide in terms of intelligence and productivity.
- Individual B is in the top 70th percentile.
- Assume that individual A learns and applies skills at a SUBSTANTIALLY greater rate than individual B. Individual A goes to university and studies a pure (albeit, not directly applicable) discipline for four years.
- Individual B goes to university and studies a practical discipline (ie. Finance/Accounting) for four years.
- Assume that individual A is sufficiently talented to learn the most relevant bits of individual B's course material in 2 months (of intense training at a BB firm).
- Individual A has the luxury of studying philosophy for four years because he knows (and many employers recognize) that he can pick up the entry-level skills for any job in a very short period of time.
If you're a top philosophy/IR/politics student at a top school, I don't think you're at any disadvantage over any other major (assuming you have the same access to recruiters as students in other departments). If you're making a decision between philosophy/IR/politics, I recommend you go with the one that lets you demonstrate the most excellence."
that says alot about this whole argument on whether art/non-eco students can enter the IB world
Rep for you.
Hi everybody here. This autumn, I will either enter City (Cass school)or Batth university. I 've already got offers from:
- City (Cass) for BSc Investment & Financial Risk Management (IFRM)
- Bath for BSc Accounting & Finance (intend to tranfer to Business Administration)
- And York for BSc Economics
I think I am pretty good at Econs, but what a shame, LSE (Economics) rejected me then I changed my mind. I decided to go for Investment bank as my career in the future. But I am now very confusing in choosing the right university. (It reminds me of 1st principle of Mankiw--> Choice is bad, lol). Ignoring York, I don't know which one is better for IB, Cass or Bath?
I vaguely know the advantage of London location as well as high level of specialisation for Cass. However, I also heard many bad things abt this place. I don't think that Times Guide tells all about City(ranking 53). But students whether or not from Cass keep saying it has a crappy student union, no social life (I don't mean London), bad facilities, poor internet sytem, and many others that might make me regret for the whole student life. Even for reputation for IB, people also say that it is only for postgraduate (I don't know about my course, IFRM).
As regards Bath, I haven't visit it yet. It is hard to say about Bath city but in term of Employability, London has a greater advantage. However, my friend told me that Bath's view and people is much nicer. And management school has very good international reputation. Moreover, another senior student told me that employer doesn't only look at level of your technical skill but also lots of your social skill. Does it means Bath uni is better than City.
I try to find the assessment on both Cass and Bath. But for business in general, there is only MBA or post-graduate ranking. It must be biased to choose an undergraduate course. I am getting crazy with the choices because my three offer have the same requirement (Does it mean there is only one choice 4 me). Can anyone here give some advise, comment, information or whatever can help me? PLEASE, PLEASE!
- City (Cass) for BSc Investment & Financial Risk Management (IFRM)
- Bath for BSc Accounting & Finance (intend to tranfer to Business Administration)
- And York for BSc Economics
I think I am pretty good at Econs, but what a shame, LSE (Economics) rejected me then I changed my mind. I decided to go for Investment bank as my career in the future. But I am now very confusing in choosing the right university. (It reminds me of 1st principle of Mankiw--> Choice is bad, lol). Ignoring York, I don't know which one is better for IB, Cass or Bath?
I vaguely know the advantage of London location as well as high level of specialisation for Cass. However, I also heard many bad things abt this place. I don't think that Times Guide tells all about City(ranking 53). But students whether or not from Cass keep saying it has a crappy student union, no social life (I don't mean London), bad facilities, poor internet sytem, and many others that might make me regret for the whole student life. Even for reputation for IB, people also say that it is only for postgraduate (I don't know about my course, IFRM).
As regards Bath, I haven't visit it yet. It is hard to say about Bath city but in term of Employability, London has a greater advantage. However, my friend told me that Bath's view and people is much nicer. And management school has very good international reputation. Moreover, another senior student told me that employer doesn't only look at level of your technical skill but also lots of your social skill. Does it means Bath uni is better than City.
I try to find the assessment on both Cass and Bath. But for business in general, there is only MBA or post-graduate ranking. It must be biased to choose an undergraduate course. I am getting crazy with the choices because my three offer have the same requirement (Does it mean there is only one choice 4 me). Can anyone here give some advise, comment, information or whatever can help me? PLEASE, PLEASE!
Big4Monkey
For something a bit more comprehensive for sales, Chass wrote A Day in the Life of an Investment Banker a while back.
I just wouldn't want to go to CASS, not sure why, so Id take York/Bath then CASS.
Not helpful And id probably also take bath over York (possibly?) but wouldn't switch to Business Admin
Not helpful
And id probably also take bath over York (possibly?) but wouldn't switch to Business AdminWow, I'm in almost the exact same situation, except without the huge "investment banking hardon" thing.
Bath AccFin vs. City IFRM.
I'm fairly sure that I'll be picking City, a more interesting course. A real shame since Bath seemed like the more interesting university.
Bath AccFin vs. City IFRM.
I'm fairly sure that I'll be picking City, a more interesting course. A real shame since Bath seemed like the more interesting university.
andy87
Okay.Ive posted the same question on a different forum and got this very interesting remark from one of the members of that forum:
"I study applied math economics and I would consider my major to be Almost as "irrelevant" as Philosophy when it comes to IB. Subject relevance DOESN'T MATTER. Sending signals about your innate qualities matters (at the analyst level).
If you come from a very strong school and you have the pitching skills to use your major to prove that you can A) work hard, B) work smart, C) learn fast -- then you'll be set.
Conduct the following thought experiment:
- You have two individuals.
- Individual A is in the top 99th percentile worldwide in terms of intelligence and productivity.
- Individual B is in the top 70th percentile.
- Assume that individual A learns and applies skills at a SUBSTANTIALLY greater rate than individual B. Individual A goes to university and studies a pure (albeit, not directly applicable) discipline for four years.
- Individual B goes to university and studies a practical discipline (ie. Finance/Accounting) for four years.
- Assume that individual A is sufficiently talented to learn the most relevant bits of individual B's course material in 2 months (of intense training at a BB firm).
- Individual A has the luxury of studying philosophy for four years because he knows (and many employers recognize) that he can pick up the entry-level skills for any job in a very short period of time.
If you're a top philosophy/IR/politics student at a top school, I don't think you're at any disadvantage over any other major (assuming you have the same access to recruiters as students in other departments). If you're making a decision between philosophy/IR/politics, I recommend you go with the one that lets you demonstrate the most excellence."
that says alot about this whole argument on whether art/non-eco students can enter the IB world
"I study applied math economics and I would consider my major to be Almost as "irrelevant" as Philosophy when it comes to IB. Subject relevance DOESN'T MATTER. Sending signals about your innate qualities matters (at the analyst level).
If you come from a very strong school and you have the pitching skills to use your major to prove that you can A) work hard, B) work smart, C) learn fast -- then you'll be set.
Conduct the following thought experiment:
- You have two individuals.
- Individual A is in the top 99th percentile worldwide in terms of intelligence and productivity.
- Individual B is in the top 70th percentile.
- Assume that individual A learns and applies skills at a SUBSTANTIALLY greater rate than individual B. Individual A goes to university and studies a pure (albeit, not directly applicable) discipline for four years.
- Individual B goes to university and studies a practical discipline (ie. Finance/Accounting) for four years.
- Assume that individual A is sufficiently talented to learn the most relevant bits of individual B's course material in 2 months (of intense training at a BB firm).
- Individual A has the luxury of studying philosophy for four years because he knows (and many employers recognize) that he can pick up the entry-level skills for any job in a very short period of time.
If you're a top philosophy/IR/politics student at a top school, I don't think you're at any disadvantage over any other major (assuming you have the same access to recruiters as students in other departments). If you're making a decision between philosophy/IR/politics, I recommend you go with the one that lets you demonstrate the most excellence."
that says alot about this whole argument on whether art/non-eco students can enter the IB world
This is exactly the point I've been making!
For every mathmo/physicist/economist that comes here and says that some hot HR girl personally told them in the heat of passion that quantitative grads are the most desirable, there are literally hundreds of bankers who say that what they studied in uni--be it math, economics, or English--is not particularly relevant to the job, and that clever people do well no matter what they've studied.
Remember we are talking about ANALYST positions, the majority of which do not require math beyond A-Level (which I believe goes up to basic calculus).
kyril
The fact that Cass is part of City University puts me off completely.It's not that City is that bad but still wouldn't say it is an ellite institution. I just do not understand why Cass continue this pointless co-existance with City.I would go for Bath or York.
Yeah CASS should break off and become an applied/practical based version of LSE
I study at Cass myself and, being as objective as possible, I'd say that it's a really good place to study. There is some truth in that the student union is not to everyone's taste (certainly not mine), but everyone I know has managed to befriend a nice bunch of people so that should not be an issue.
With regards to Cass vs. City, I believe that the lack of space is the only reason putting the business school off splitting fromCity. The postgraduate building is amazing with Bloomberg and Reuters terminals and a ver good library archive, to which undergrads also have access. In addition around 30% of the lectures are held in the postgrad. building (for IFRM students this ratio is even higher), but unfortunately the premises are simply not large enough to support the whole of cass, which is a shame.
With regards to Cass vs. City, I believe that the lack of space is the only reason putting the business school off splitting fromCity. The postgraduate building is amazing with Bloomberg and Reuters terminals and a ver good library archive, to which undergrads also have access. In addition around 30% of the lectures are held in the postgrad. building (for IFRM students this ratio is even higher), but unfortunately the premises are simply not large enough to support the whole of cass, which is a shame.
York send quite a few people into IB from what I gather, isn't it a target uni also?
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