Donald Trump says UK and Europe are not safe places following Brussels attacks

but the attacks in america are not usually by suicide bombers, but by deranged shooters


so your point is moot.

Why are you bringing up mass shootings when this is to do with terrorism??

Europe isn't safe from TERRORISM, that's Trumps point. Of course he knows mass shootings are a big issue in the US, but he's commenting on Europe.

**** me.

Trump has a big audience and instead of focusing on American domestic policy which is arguably the most important facet in any national election, he is drawing attention to atrocities comitted by ISIS in order to gain political traction.

He's basically going - look over there and what is happening when they let 'them' in and when they don't come down hard on immigration. That could be reality here.... Unless you elect me and I will ban all Muslims and build a wall between America and Mexico so we can all get obese and selfish and forget about the rest of the world except when we are dropping bombs on them.

It's irresponsible given that division within our societies is both what ISIS wants and the biggest threat to western civilisation in the long term.

ISIS attacked the Bataclan, do you honestly think that you can take a loaded gun into a rock concert environment, with massive crowds, people jumping around and stuff.

They also attacked Brussels airport. Not sure what country you live in but over here you'll get arrested for walking into an airport with a gun.

Furthermore a small handgun for self defence is probably useless against trained militants with automatic rifles, and especially useless against suicide bombers.

I would sign up to a shooting range, America's shooters are generally not trained ex-forces guys.

All he's saying is the the Uk and Europe are not safe places. If that's the case America by comparison is an active battlefield. It's not like he even cares about safety given he complained about people "not wanting to hurt each other" in one of his speeches.

You say that like England doesn't have self defence laws. It does. You can shoot someone dead completely legally if it comes to it.

Trump has a big audience and instead of focusing on American domestic policy which is arguably the most important facet in any national election, he is drawing attention to atrocities comitted by ISIS in order to gain political traction.

He's basically going - look over there and what is happening when they let 'them' in and when they don't come down hard on immigration. That could be reality here.... Unless you elect me and I will ban all Muslims and build a wall between America and Mexico so we can all get obese and selfish and forget about the rest of the world except when we are dropping bombs on them.

It's irresponsible given that division within our societies is both what ISIS wants and the biggest threat to western civilisation in the long term.

but the attacks in america are not usually by suicide bombers, but by deranged shooters


so your point is moot.

People who live in countries that allow their citizens to bear arms wherever the hell the want to.

Whether they have a gun in their rooms, in their cars, in their office desk is none of your business. As far as the places where they are carrying their firearms into has no laws against holding ammunition in that particular place then yes they can bear arms.


Any one with a brain would tell you that if the people in the concert had guns, the deaths would have been much much lower. The Islamic terrorists specifically aimed for a zone where they knew the people there couldn't defend themselves

Oh. A shooting range. That's great. I didn't realise bad guys always had bullseyes, stayed perfectly still and didn't shoot back.



Unless you signed up to full time training - 8hrs a day, every day, studied the law and tactics for various situations - you'd only cause the deaths of innocent people.

I've been in the forces, I've had weapons training. I know I wouldn't have the skills. You're worse. You're dangerous. Because you're woefully and childishly ignorant.

But is he wrong in saying that Europe isn't safe? Is he wrong in saying that the recent immigration surge has caused an escalation of terrorist attacks?

We've already seen how ****ing dreadful Merkel's "roll-the-red-carpet" policy is, and now how she's gone back on her words.

Trump is expressing how they can't do the same in the US - which isn't wrong either.

He's isn't banning all Muslims, he's banning entry to dangerous Muslim immigrants (i.e he won't kick them out, he'll keep them out), and the wall is too help control immigration, which is already a serious problem in the US.

No one is going to take a frigging loaded gun into a concert hall where people get smashed and dance around.

And one person with a handgun versus 3 people with suicide vests and AK-47s is not going to end well.

And for the record, one of the gunmen was killed by a police officer long before the siege ended. So it happened anyway and regardless 89 people died.

No one is going to take a frigging loaded gun into a concert hall where people get smashed and dance around.

And one person with a handgun versus 3 people with suicide vests and AK-47s is not going to end well.

And for the record, one of the gunmen was killed by a police officer long before the siege ended. So it happened anyway and regardless 89 people died.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/

Quite a lot of civilians have successfully defended themselves in America, jesus ****ing christ.

From your own source:
"Naturally, such examples will be rare. ... Moreover, at least some examples are ambiguous, because it might be unclear — as you’ll see below — whether the shooter had been planning to kill more people when he was stopped."

And in a case like the one we're discussing, the Bataclan, all an armed civilian would have achieved is getting themselves and more people killed.


Real life is not Hollywood. The sooner you grow up and realise that, the better for all of us.

Trump is using people like you to garner political support and unfortunately, it's working. Gotta hand it to him.

I think that's a little unfair tbh. Trump by and large focusses on domestic issues; his foreign policy is pretty tame given how extremist we're meant to think he is. He's drawing attention to the atrocities ISIS are committing because he's in favour of clamping down the borders in various ways, and he's saying these attacks are a result of insufficient control of who enters your country. Which is indeed a domestic policy, and also one which whether you agree with or not, isn't really an example of political spin. It's true that the terrorist cells that committed that attacks in Paris and Brussels did take advantage of ease of access to Europe from the middle east. By all means bash Trump - there're plenty of things to bash him about after all - but what he said here seemed pretty reasonable.

Also, I really don't understand the opposition to building a wall with Mexico. There is a huge amount of illegal immigration and human trafficking across the US-Mexico border, not to mention that most of the drugs in the US come through Mexico. I don't really see why stopping that is a bad thing?

Irrelevant, civilians can and have successfully defended themselves and this is not counting all of the home invasions and muggings which have been prevented

Highly relevant. You can't pick and choose the argument to suit your narrow agenda.

There's also the fact that law enforcement utterly despise the idea of civilians being armed - chances are when they react to a situation they end up shooting the 'good guy' by mistake because they're indistinguishable from the bad ones and don't know what they're doing.