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Original post by Jm098
Did anyone get 2 rootlg?



I did for 5d
Guys, it's 5gl\sqrt{5gl} since we have u2=v2+4glu^2=v^2+4gl and we require T0T \geq 0 at the top of the circle, hence ΣF=mv2l=mg+Tmv2lmgv2glu2=v2+4glgl+4gl=5glu5gl\Sigma F=\dfrac{mv^2}{l}=mg+T \Rightarrow \dfrac{mv^2}{l} \geq mg \Rightarrow v^2 \geq gl \Rightarrow u^2=v^2+4gl \geq gl+4gl=5gl \Rightarrow u \geq \sqrt{5gl}.
Reply 22
How can so many people not see that it's just 2 root lg? I'm confused
Original post by aoxa
No, tension was root(4gl) which simplified, was 2root(gl). Which gives non negative tension.


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i think you're forgetting about the gravitational force of the weight


at top (mv^2)/r = T + mg

for complete rotation T>>0 so

(mv^2)/r = mg

this gave v= root(5gl)
Reply 24
Original post by jjsnyder
Here are my answers from todays exam, not all of them will necessarily be correct so please correct me if you think they are wrong!
1. a) 9.6
b) i) 24.3
ii) 12.7
iii) No Air Resistance
2.
a) a=(84x3)i18e3xj a = (8-4x^3)i - 18e^{-3x}j
b) i) F=(168x3)i36e3xj F = (16-8x^3)i - 36e^{-3x}j
ii) 8.20
c) r=(4x2x55+3)i(3+2e3x)j r = (4x^2- \frac{x^5}{5} + 3)i - (3+ 2e^{-3x})j
3. a) By symmetry
b)10.4 cm
c) 16.5 degrees
d) Explanation Q
4. a)78.4
b) 41.4 degrees
c) r=2.89
5. Lots of very long answers, will upload later if I have time. Part d) was sqrt(5gl/2) sqrt(5gl/2)
6. a) Show that Q
b) g(gλμ)etλλ \frac{g-(g-\lambda\mu)e^{-t\lambda} }{\lambda}
7. a) Diagram
b) tanx=12μ24μ tanx = \frac{1-2\mu^2}{4\mu}
8. a) 17.0
b) I got 6.05m but many others got 7.58m so this seems like the correct answer, can anyone confirm this?


Question 5) was just root 5gl
Question 8) I got 6.87 I think but forgot to include the potential energy still in the bottom string I think!
Reply 25
Original post by IrrationalRoot
Guys, it's 5gl\sqrt{5gl} since we have u2=v2+4glu^2=v^2+4gl and we require T0T \geq 0 at the top of the circle, hence ΣF=mv2l=mg+Tmv2lmgv2glu2=v2+4glgl+4gl=5glu5gl\Sigma F=\dfrac{mv^2}{l}=mg+T \Rightarrow \dfrac{mv^2}{l} \geq mg \Rightarrow v^2 \geq gl \Rightarrow u^2=v^2+4gl \geq gl+4gl=5gl \Rightarrow u \geq \sqrt{5gl}.


Mate this exact question has come up before word for word and the answer is 2rootlg
Original post by Jm098
How can so many people not see that it's just 2 root lg? I'm confused


Because it's not.
Original post by CoIIins
Mate this exact question has come up before word for word and the answer is 2rootlg


Did you even read my method...
Reply 28
Original post by IrrationalRoot
Guys, it's 5gl\sqrt{5gl} since we have u2=v2+4glu^2=v^2+4gl and we require T0T \geq 0 at the top of the circle, hence ΣF=mv2l=mg+Tmv2lmgv2glu2=v2+4glgl+4gl=5glu5gl\Sigma F=\dfrac{mv^2}{l}=mg+T \Rightarrow \dfrac{mv^2}{l} \geq mg \Rightarrow v^2 \geq gl \Rightarrow u^2=v^2+4gl \geq gl+4gl=5gl \Rightarrow u \geq \sqrt{5gl}.


Yes that is right you the mvp
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Original post by IrrationalRoot
Guys, it's 5gl\sqrt{5gl} since we have u2=v2+4glu^2=v^2+4gl and we require T0T \geq 0 at the top of the circle, hence ΣF=mv2l=mg+Tmv2lmgv2glu2=v2+4glgl+4gl=5glu5gl\Sigma F=\dfrac{mv^2}{l}=mg+T \Rightarrow \dfrac{mv^2}{l} \geq mg \Rightarrow v^2 \geq gl \Rightarrow u^2=v^2+4gl \geq gl+4gl=5gl \Rightarrow u \geq \sqrt{5gl}.



Surely v>0 for compete circular motion rather than v>gl, I'm sorry I'm confused to see where you got that from
Reply 31
Original post by jjsnyder
Here are my answers from todays exam, not all of them will necessarily be correct so please correct me if you think they are wrong!
1. a) 9.6
b) i) 24.3
ii) 12.7
iii) No Air Resistance
2.
a) a=(84x3)i18e3xj a = (8-4x^3)i - 18e^{-3x}j
b) i) F=(168x3)i36e3xj F = (16-8x^3)i - 36e^{-3x}j
ii) 8.20
c) r=(4x2x55+3)i(3+2e3x)j r = (4x^2- \frac{x^5}{5} + 3)i - (3+ 2e^{-3x})j
3. a) By symmetry
b)10.4 cm
c) 16.5 degrees
d) Explanation Q
4. a)78.4
b) 41.4 degrees
c) r=2.89
5. Lots of very long answers, will upload later if I have time. Part d) was sqrt(5gl/2) sqrt(5gl/2)
6. a) Show that Q
b) g(gλμ)etλλ \frac{g-(g-\lambda\mu)e^{-t\lambda} }{\lambda}
7. a) Diagram
b) tanx=12μ24μ tanx = \frac{1-2\mu^2}{4\mu}
8. a) 17.0
b) I got 6.05m but many others got 7.58m so this seems like the correct answer, can anyone confirm this?


Agree with all of these except 8 wasn't split in to a) and b) was it? Thought it was just one 8 marker? Also got 7.5m for 8 BUT forgot the cos30 when I was finding friction, but cos30 is about 0.86 so my term for friction wouldn't have been too far out, so I think 7.58 is probably right.

Also got 2root(ag) for for 5, surely you've got 0.5mv^2 > 0.5mu^2 - 2 ag, so if v > 0 for complete revolution, u must be > root(4ag) i.e. 2root(ag)?
Q4a was 10.4 im pretty sure
Reply 33
Original post by benjammy
Surely v>0 for compete circular motion rather than v>gl, I'm sorry I'm confused to see where you got that from


I'm with you, the condition for continued circular motion is v>0 at the top isn't it?
Original post by benjammy
Surely v>0 for compete circular motion rather than v>gl, I'm sorry I'm confused to see where you got that from


Because if v<glv<gl then the tension is negative which is impossible.
Reply 35
Original post by IrrationalRoot
Guys, it's 5gl\sqrt{5gl} since we have u2=v2+4glu^2=v^2+4gl and we require T0T \geq 0 at the top of the circle, hence ΣF=mv2l=mg+Tmv2lmgv2glu2=v2+4glgl+4gl=5glu5gl\Sigma F=\dfrac{mv^2}{l}=mg+T \Rightarrow \dfrac{mv^2}{l} \geq mg \Rightarrow v^2 \geq gl \Rightarrow u^2=v^2+4gl \geq gl+4gl=5gl \Rightarrow u \geq \sqrt{5gl}.


Yeah, but if you go off the basis that to make revolutions, v>0 this gives min u = root (4gl). This question has come up before, and the answer was definitely 2root(gl) then.


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Reply 36
Original post by benjammy
Surely v>0 for compete circular motion rather than v>gl, I'm sorry I'm confused to see where you got that from


The question you are talking about had no tension so u need the velocity to be greater than 0 but in the exam there was a string so need to the tension greater than 0
7.58 isn't right for the last question because there is work done against friction
Original post by CoIIins
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this question dosen't account for tension in the wire
Reply 39
Got all the same, except 7.58 for Q8 and 2root(gl) for the other one, I may be wrong though :smile:

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