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hey im want to study physics at uni, but i dont think i will get the grades to do a masters course so will hav to apply for the BSc. i was wondering wat is type of Bsc is need to do the Mphys?

thanks for ur help

Reply 1

geekypoo

3

Well if the MPhys is offered by the University, they ususally have certain things you have to do in the first and second year to qualify to carry on doing it (say a 60% average or something). If you're doing the BSc and are keeping up to this, there will be no problem for the University changing your course. The only problem is the loan amount.

What University are you hopeing to do this at? (I had the same thing with the MMath)

Reply 2

scotlandlover

OP

Edinburgh, york or ucl there the main ones.
thanks

Reply 3

ChemistBoy

16

The MPhys is an undergraduate course so this isn't really in the right place.

Reply 4

scotlandlover

OP

yes but u can take phyics and get ur Bsc and then do physic masters so it is also a postgraduate

Reply 5

geekypoo

3

Yes but I think what he is trying to say is the couse that you want to be doing is an undergraduate course.
Also wouldn't the postgraduate course be an MSc opposed to an MPhys

Reply 6

KwungSun

13

geekypoo

Yes but I think what he is trying to say is the couse that you want to be doing is an undergraduate course.
Also wouldn't the postgraduate course be an MSc opposed to an MPhys

I've been wondering about this actually, what's the deal with postgraduate vs. advanced undergraduate degrees? Why can someone who spends four years getting a BSc and then an MSc claim to have a postgraduate qualification, while someone who does a four year MSci/MPhys/MMath/MEng etc. only have an advanced undergraduate degree? Could someone with an MPhys apply to a job that requires a "postgraduate degree in physics" (though not necessarily a PhD)?

Reply 7

ChemistBoy

16

KwungSun

I've been wondering about this actually, what's the deal with postgraduate vs. advanced undergraduate degrees? Why can someone who spends four years getting a BSc and then an MSc claim to have a postgraduate qualification, while someone who does a four year MSci/MPhys/MMath/MEng etc. only have an advanced undergraduate degree? Could someone with an MPhys apply to a job that requires a "postgraduate degree in physics" (though not necessarily a PhD)?

Well, there aren't any jobs I've seen in physics that just require a 'postgraduate degree' it's either a PhD or a degree they are the two options. In terms of academic standing then the MPhys should be the equivalent of a taught postgraduate masters, but I don't think many employers really understand that. To be honest in all the scientific and engineering fields that I've seen the undergraduate masters offered, a postgrad MSc is going to do little to enhance either your employment or academic prospects beyond that of someone with the undergraduate qualification (unless it is a re-specialism).

Reply 8

KwungSun

13

ChemistBoy

Well, there aren't any jobs I've seen in physics that just require a 'postgraduate degree' it's either a PhD or a degree they are the two options. In terms of academic standing then the MPhys should be the equivalent of a taught postgraduate masters, but I don't think many employers really understand that.

So you think to employers BSc+MSc > MSci/MPhys/MChem etc.?

Reply 9

The Boosh

17

i think chemist boy is implying that they are the same. BSc + MSc = MSci/MPhys/MChem etc on the grounds that they are both m-level awards and both routes take 4 years.

Reply 10

ChemistBoy

16

The Boosh

i think chemist boy is implying that they are the same. BSc + MSc = MSci/MPhys/MChem etc on the grounds that they are both m-level awards and both routes take 4 years.

If the masters is taught. A research masters is going to be a bit different.

Reply 11

username36063

11

very odd, tale I have.

Mate of mine who did engineering was told that outside of the UK MEng was not recognised as a masters, so decided to do a 3 year BEng, and then did an MSc in engineering.

He now works for network rail who offer all masters level graduates an extra £1000, however (probably dumb HR folk not knowing anthing about engineering) he did not recive the 1k as a BSc + MSc was not up to the level of an MEng. Even though MEng is 3years 9 months whilst MSc route is 4 years.

So who knows what employers thing or even know.

Reply 12

The Boosh

17

stupid ****ing network rail

Reply 13

ChemistBoy

16

I've realised I can't legislate for the stupidity of HR people. My advice to your mate, flexiblefish is to talk to the HR people and ask for a proper consideration of his qualifications. In science and engineering an undergrad masters and a taught postgrad masters are seen as academically equivalent, however what employers do seems to be a law unto their own selves.

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