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C7/B7/P7 (OCR 21ST CENTURY) Revision thread for 2017 exams

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Original post by danielwinstanley
The spec says

"recall the reaction of alcohols with sodium and how this compares with the reactions of water and alkanes with sodium"

so I think they could maybe give it as a 6 marker - you can write word and symbol equations and describing along with what happens in the reaction.


ah that would be so nice! just no chromatography please. i hate it so much.
Original post by nish2910
ah that would be so nice! just no chromatography please. i hate it so much.


But chromatography is nice...it's like fermentation methods you don't want.
Original post by danielwinstanley
But chromatography is nice...it's like fermentation methods you don't want.


noo i just don't understand the equilibrium between the two phases. i like the evaluating the sustainability, that's quite a good 6 marker when they ask you to look at feedstock etc like they did for last year. i really don't want an acid question like last year's because i found it worded very strangely. they didn't do haber process last year i don't think, which is quite surprising. also why are the grade boundaries so high?? is it because only private schools do it (not saying automatically people who go to private schools r good at science bc i am proof that's not the case))
Original post by nish2910
noo i just don't understand the equilibrium between the two phases. i like the evaluating the sustainability, that's quite a good 6 marker when they ask you to look at feedstock etc like they did for last year. i really don't want an acid question like last year's because i found it worded very strangely. they didn't do haber process last year i don't think, which is quite surprising. also why are the grade boundaries so high?? is it because only private schools do it (not saying automatically people who go to private schools r good at science bc i am proof that's not the case))


It's mainly because some schools only let people take it if they've reached a certain level - eg the core boundaries are lower because everyone has to take it.

Those sorts of questions comparing are fine - it's just if we get asked the different types of ethanol production (eg hydration, E-coli bacteria and fermentation) It's just too much to learn.

For the Haber process, there hasn't been a 6 marker in 2015 or 2016 - last year, they just gave it as a tick box question.
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Original post by danielwinstanley
It's mainly because some schools only let people take it if they've reached a certain level - eg the core boundaries are lower because everyone has to take it.

Those sorts of questions comparing are fine - it's just if we get asked the different types of ethanol production (eg hydration, E-coli bacteria and fermentation) It's just too much to learn.


yes, i find the 7s difficult because there's a lot more to learn (obviously as it's a whole unit) but it's very process-y
Original post by nish2910
yes, i find the 7s difficult because there's a lot more to learn (obviously as it's a whole unit) but it's very process-y


And, because it's a whole 60 marks, they usually test (almost) everything each year...so you basically have to know everything.
Original post by danielwinstanley
And, because it's a whole 60 marks, they usually test (almost) everything each year...so you basically have to know everything.


do we need to know how gas chromatography happens or basically just know it is a form of chromatography?
Original post by nish2910
do we need to know how gas chromatography happens or basically just know it is a form of chromatography?


I think you need to roughly know the process - not in detail, though.
Someone explain chromatography equilibrium please??
I worry that the grade boundaries will be really high for this paper, as they're usually much higher than the other papers, and because it's the last year, they're likely to be even higher :frown:
Original post by matthewparker34
Someone explain chromatography equilibrium please??


Try this guy :smile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugTzjkdxT2c

Also, dynamic equilibrium is more of a theory really. It happens a during reversible reactions. For example, during the Haber process it is said to reach dynamic equilibrium because an equal amount of nitrogen and hydrogen are reacting as ammonia, so the overall effect is nil.

Original post by LlamaLikeEllie
I worry that the grade boundaries will be really high for this paper, as they're usually much higher than the other papers, and because it's the last year, they're likely to be even higher :frown:


Same... it's worrying since the content isn't simple either :/
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Original post by matthewparker34
Someone explain chromatography equilibrium please??


I think it's just that it's said to be in dynamic equilibrium because the amount leaving the stationary phase for the mobile phase is the same as the amount leaving the mobile phase for the stationary phase
Original post by danielwinstanley
I think it's just that it's said to be in dynamic equilibrium because the amount leaving the stationary phase for the mobile phase is the same as the amount leaving the mobile phase for the stationary phase


Isn't it that each component has a dynamic equilibrium between the mobile phase and the stationary phase and so the spot that is more attracted to the mobile phase moves further, and vice versa? Just checking my own understanding here
Original post by nish2910
Isn't it that each component has a dynamic equilibrium between the mobile phase and the stationary phase and so the spot that is more attracted to the mobile phase moves further, and vice versa? Just checking my own understanding here


I thought the movement was just because it was more attracted to the stationary phrase than the mobile phase (and vice versa)
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B7 6 marker predictions?
Original post by danielwinstanley
I thought the movement was just because it was more attracted to the stationary phrase than the mobile phase (and vice versa)


i think movement is more attracted to mobile, and stationary means still and mobile means moving? that's what the CGP says because the stationary is normally quite viscous so molecules can't move
Original post by danielwinstanley
I thought the movement was just because it was more attracted to the stationary phrase than the mobile phase (and vice versa)


I can't PM you because you have no more space in your inbox. Just not too much data and I hope the ecosystem q is okay by I always lose a ton of marks on that
Does anyone have the B7 2016 paper?
I will not be able to cope tommorow in biology if the weather is the same as today :frown:
Original post by LlamaLikeEllie
I will not be able to cope tommorow in biology if the weather is the same as today :frown:


I know! We had a fan only once, but the invigilator keep on turning it off and on, and I hate when they peer over your work or walk up and down with a tray of coffee!!!

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