is university a scam?

Personally I think it is, you dont need to pay money for someone to teach you things out of a book that you could easily learn yourself. how is being taught this and having 30k+ debt worth it?

Have you been to uni yet?

Certain qualifications you would find difficulty just teaching yourself and university provides a way of learning and testing to an accepted standard. Some employers will recognise the value in that and pay accordingly.

Will you be teaching yourself to degree standard or have you done so already? What do you do or intend to do as a career?

In many cases a degree isnt needed.

no and i wont be going to uni.
I respect that employers can see a qualification as a good thing and proof of knowledge, but its far from real life. i've spoken to employers from kpmg, siemens and other places and its the idea that if 2 people were identical, they had a levels, they were 23 years old, but 1 went to uni and the other worked in that specific career or field for 5 years, they would pick the 5 year one, because he has experience in actual working which is what the job involves, instead of studying for exams like the other one.
personally I want to be an accountant, im currently in year 11 studying gcses and level 3 AAT, i look to study level 4 and aca after gcses and then moving on to applying to firms for apprenticeships. if i took an apprenticeship then id get free teaching with it and i'd do a sponsored degree no problem, but i also have no problem teaching myself instead. I do truly believe that a degree is more or less a waste of time and money unless its medicine or law or maybe some other expections. Have you been to uni? whats your opinion on it, whats your career aspirations and do you think it has expedite/hindered your progress to getting that job?

You arent comparing like with like. Going to uni makes sense in some situations and not in others. be interesting to see what the ratio is between graduates and non graduates for the top accountant firm partners.

Personally I think it is, you dont need to pay money for someone to teach you things out of a book that you could easily learn yourself. how is being taught this and having 30k+ debt worth it?

The scam that keeps on giving.

what do you mean?

A scam that benefits you is a **** scam m8

It's incredibly overrated. Especially the 'top' universities.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, my degree has provided me with nothing useful except for a tick in the 'minimum requirements' section of anywhere I may apply for a job. The stuff I've done, experiences I've had, volunteering I've done etc. are what have and will get me anywhere in life.

As it stands though, I'm applying to study medicine after I've completed my current degree and that degree will actually be worth it.

Well it depends what you mean by makes sense. If you want to be a doctor/lawyer or whatever it is necessary but it still doesnt make sense, its unfair that people need to pay to get a good job in medicine, when they can easily get some relevant work experience, learn methods and teach themselves to learn the same thing. yet that is not allowed. id be interested to see the ratio but i cant find it and i dont think it would be accurate since the majority of accountants when to uni because its the traditional education, it doesnt mean its better. i dont understand what you mean about comparing like with like?

Well, no it's not unfortunate. It is one of the (few) necessary degrees.

To answer the point about medicine and teaching it to themselves the sheer amount of knowledge needed and the practical techniques required to become a doctor would be untenable in the situation you are describing as the degree course also allows for the different specialisms within medicine which is why we end up with oncologists, consultants, gp's etc. Whilst I agree that it is unfair that you have to pay money, you absolutely cannot get this education anywhere else so its just the price you have to pay to do what you want.

its unfortunate that its necessary is what i meant


work experience at a hospital

erm I'm not sure what you mean by work experience in a hospital?

LOL you cannot self-teach yourself medicine from 'work experience' at a hospital and YouTube. Western Medicine is far too advanced for that and we don't need crackpot practioners running around. You can't learn human anatomy, microbiology etc from following people around.

University isn't for everyone and that's fine and important to realise, but please use common sense.

watching doctors work, learning from them, working there to see what its like, learning along the way

Personally I think it is, you dont need to pay money for someone to teach you things out of a book that you could easily learn yourself. how is being taught this and having 30k+ debt worth it?

That comes after the degree before you become a fully qualified doctor you complete f1 and f2 where you go into gp practices and any other specialities you are interested in and watch the doctors work as well as work alongside them but this is done after the learning as they must have the base knowledge before they can go out and help patients in any way.
you cannot pass a driving test without having done the theory test