Speeding = 3 points on my license - HELP!

Oh **** off and stop patronising me. I never said I shouldn't get a fine - in fact I said maybe I should. I was merely explaining that I am NOT a dangerous driver and do not typically drive above the speed limit.

And I intend to start worrying before I have eight as six points would make me lose my license and my job. So all I'd have to do is drift over the limit ONCE in one and a half years. I think I'm allowed to worry.

if a child is prepared to jump right out in front of a car they are at more to blame than the innocent driver having a momentary lapse of concentration or being a few mph over the speed limit.

it can be a very dangerous world but when a child jumps out in front of cars doing 30+mph they have to accept the possible consequences.

Then in that case it would be an absolute tragedy for the child and an absolute tragedy for the driver, who in this case was not a reckless 'boy-racer' but an average considerate driver, who like most of us, sometimes drifts over the speed limit.

I would question why the driver was doing 35mph but I would also question why the child 'appeared in the middle of the road'. I don't like when the standard response to anyone who complains about speeding fines is 'well what if a child pops out in the middle of the road.' A child SHOULD NOT be popping out in the middle of the road. The road is for cars, not pedestrians and if the child is too young to understand that then he should be watched over by a parent or guardian AT ALL TIMES. I simply do not understand why the blame should solely be attached to the driver.

Driving safely, in my opinion, is one of the most important responsibilites you have as an adult. Yes, speed kills and dangerous driving kills. But please differentiate between the joy-riders and thrill seekers who try to speed as much as possible for the fun of it, and the other drivers, who are law abiding people with other jobs, worries and responsibilities, who try to drive safely but occasionally drift over the limit. If you say you have never driven over the speed limit then I'm afraid you are lying.

Sorry to go on about this but I feel passionately about it. A friend of mine was killed whilst crossing a road by a driver a couple of miles above the limit. I was absolutely devastated. But my friend had been drinking and had no business to be stepping out on the road and whilst the driver WAS over the limit, she swerved to avoid my friend, got injured herself, got a prison sentence, and will now spend the rest of her life wondering if she was to blame. I have equal sympathy with both.

Furthermore I drive safetly and have never been stopped but I tend to always drive a couple of miles over the limit, as do most people. I have been told and observed myself, that it is generally safer to travel at 32/33 with the flow of the traffic than at 28/29, when drivers will be tailgating you, honking at you, and overtaking.

Lozzie, sorry to hear about your ticket. Unlucky and I don't think you deserve it. I personally disagree with speed cameras, as I think they encourage quick braking and then speeding up, promote the idea that it's 'cameras v. drivers - let's get the better of the damn cameras - see I can speed and not get caught!', and do not take into account that drivers slightly over the limit are often safer drivers than drivers under the limit. But remember it could be much worse.

the problem on our roads is not caused by speed, although that is a common factor, but the real root of it is with bad drivers. speed limits are not the bee all and end all. its sometimes safer to do twice the speed limit in one situation than it is to do half it in another.

Not really, what situation are you talking about? You are correct in that it is bad drivers and not necessarily speed limits that kill, but bad drivers + speeding is a recipe for disaster, and that is the combination most commonly exhibited on the roads. Don't forget, nobody thinks they're a bad driver. Take Lozzie_1990 for example, she thinks she's a good driver yet she showed such a lack of concentration she couldn't even notice a bright yellow speed camera pointing at her!

For a start in many cases the driver isn't solely to blame, getting nothing more than a fine and a few points in some cases. Causing death by dangerous driving isn't really a big offence here in the UK, for some ridiculous reason.

Do not make the mistake of assuming that because you do something everybody else does. I do not drive 2-3 mph above the limit at all times, and I don't think most others do either. It is generally better to follow the flow of traffic at 33mph than to hold them up at 28mph? What a complete load of *******s. For a start, 5mph doesn't make that great a difference to the flow of traffic, and people don't automatically tailgate you and honk the horn because you're following the speed limit and being a sensible driver.

You do realise that speed cameras are placed in accident blackspots, so in actual fact, a driver being more vigilant, breaking to get through the camera, and speeding up afterwards is exactly what they expect and exactly what they're looking for! To be honest, you're very opinionated for somebody who knows nothing about the things you've formed an opinion on.

sorry to appear like an arrogant *** but if you dont understand what ive said to be true and need an example then i cant be bothered to have another forum argument. when you know more about this 'stuff' then youll accept what i said as right sorry again.

I never agree with the limits in most places.


I can stop 40 - 0 faster than a fiesta 30 - 0.


Too be fair, a rewview would be superb, not quoting braking distances from 1970!

Again, engage common sense before you type anything. You absolutely cannot just make up fictitious, subjective examples which are engineered so that they coincide and reinforce your opinion. That's not the way the world works buddy. I asked for an example because I disagree and do not believe there is a single situation where going twice the speed limit is less dangerous than going half. You're chatting crap.

i resent that comment and urge you to do the same! read carefully before typing such crap.

just to shut your whining, heres an example;

take mr average joe. hes got 10 years driving experience with 3 points and a few crashes in his history. he is driving an averagely priced car, say an audi a4 for example.

scenario 1; he is driving through town on market day, speed limit is 30mph. many people are standing at the side of the road trying to cross. some are more dareing than others and the whole situation is dangerous for those people. 15mph here is half the limit but its still a very risky situation.

scenario 2; average joe is driving down the A1. its 5:00 in the morning and visibility is good enough not to warrent his lights. he gets to say near the scotch corner junction where the road is very straight. 140mph here is twice the speed limit yet there is less danger than in scenario 1. average joe has driven at high speeds before, and on a wide motorway hes just a fly on an elephants back.

now you get my point. now these are obviously the two extremes, but you see what im getting at. 35mph in a 30 does not equal DEATH just because its a 30. remember, speed doesnt kill, innapropriate use of speed does! ask any decent driver. now weve been through this many times before on here and i cant be botherd going through it again. so use the search function otherwise i wont repsond to a remark thats already been discussed before.

Question:

How does a camera appear in front of you and flash you. I thought they could only flash if you had gone *past* them. Truvelos don't flash, right?

Or is that just implied and I've missed it