Malaysia bans Israel from competing in Paralympics. Accused of Antisemitism

because malaysia has a history of anti-semitism anti-zionism is just another for antisemitism.

Malaysian jews are jews living in malaysia, or those originally from the country. The state of penang was once home to a jewish community, until the latter part of the 1970s, by which time most had migrated due to growing state-sanctioned antisemitism.they were also found elsewhere in the nation, especially in negeri sembilan[citation needed] and malacca.[citation needed] indications of the growing racial and religious hostility in the nation has caused many malaysian jews to leave or flee the country.

lmao copy and paste from wikipedia, forgot to remove the "citation needed" after negeri sembilan lmao.... I'll reiterate again: Malaysia is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse countries in the world, muslims dont even make the majority population in the capital city kuala lumpur, and the top 10 richest malaysians are all non-muslim.... Why would jews be treated any different... I smell bs from that wiki article u just copy-pasted, no citation, and even the table below stated that there were 31 jews living in malaysia by 1941... Hardly a significant population.

It's not much more anti-semitic than any other country. The official stance is very simple, they will not recognise the state of Israel until the Israelis stop trying to exterminate the Palestinians. This is not an unreasonable position to take and they are well within their sovereign right to deny Israelis entry to their country.

Which doesn't answer my question looloo2134 was responding to. I'll grant you that an anti-zionist view is not in itself antisemitic, but countries (like Malaysia) that seek to boycott Israel on grounds of antisemitism, but who do not boycott say Myanmar and China for their treatment of a minority ethnic group within their borders, have some explaining to do. What makes anti-zionism heinous above other crimes against minority ethnic groups?

You may have an answer, I'd be happy to hear it, but at bottom there IS a difference in how Israel gets treated and how other countries doing equally heinous things appear to be treated.

Malaysia government abuse people because their Jews is disgusting even if it one person why do look up your country history anti-antisemitism in Malaysia.

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/196642/anti-semitism-in-malaysia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldqCs9J07_I

cause they are zionists. They took another peoples home. I like ultraorthodox jews. No problem with them. Cause they are religious and know that even in religion Israel is a prohibited no no state.

cause they are zionists.

Bro... If you have no understanding of our country whatsoever, please refrain from commenting as all you are doing is spreading misinformation! You said "Malaysia is also a country that ran out Jews with state sponsored antisemitism". STATE SPONSORED ANTISEMITISM!!!??? Please tell me at what point in history were there Jews residing in Malaysia??? Bud... Don't make a fool of yourself and look at the World Map, we're in the Far East... Not the Middle East!!! I wouldn't know at what point in history Jews would cross halfway across the world just to get to a jungle and a few villages LMAOOOO. I'm guessing you assumed our country was in the Middle East just because we're predominantly Muslim? Please research more into our country and politics... We are one of the most religiously and racially diverse countries in the world, but still no fatal terror attacks in over 20 years... You are clearly misconceived, sorry to break the bad news

@Underscore__ Hmmmm... Our country is THAT HOSTILE to religious minorities that over 30,000 Christian Chin refugees from Myanmar would go on a perilous journey by foot, skipping over Thailand, just to get to predominantly Muslim 'religious minority-suppressing' Malaysia... Our country is 40% non muslim... So pls do enlighten me on why Jews would be treated any different...

I didn't say that Malaysia surpasses religious minorities. There is clearly a significant issue of antisemitism https://global100.adl.org/#country/malaysia/2014

While it seems me using the term 'state-sponsored' was not well sourced Malaysia is regarded as one of the most anti-semitic countries outside of the Middle East; a 2014 survey found that almost 2/3 of Malaysians believe that 'people hate Jews because of how Jews behave' and 'Jews have too much control over the American government'. Antisemitism is rife in Malaysia, it's no wonder the small Jewish community in Penang left.

I'm well aware of where Malaysia is and I'm not really sure what the lack of fatal terror attacks has to do with anything?

Aside from the inherrent flaws in these sorts of Studies it seems to be deliberably vague on the difference between bashing jews for religious reasons (anti semitism) and because of the actions of their government... The latter is much more the case.

I'm curious do you actually know many Malaysians or have you ever been there?

You can argue all you like but you haven’t put forward anything to support your position. On top of this survey there are several statements that have been made by political leaders that bash Jews.

My position that most Malaysians arent raving anti-semites? You do know the inherent difficulty in tyring to prove a negative right?
Not to mention i'll take your 'evidence' with a large pinch of salt owing to its highly dubious providence.

I’ve never claimed that most Malaysians are ‘raving anti-semites’, you seem to have a tendency to put words in my mouth. I’ve provided evidence that antisemitism is common in Malaysia and all you’ve said is the source is dubious. I understand that it’s difficult to prove a negative; the correct way to defend your position is to provide counter evidence as to why the evidence I’ve provided isn’t trustworthy.

It’s a talent of mine.
The evidence as to why it’s not trustworthy is that it’s an organisation specifically set up to call anyone and everyone antisemitic on the most hollow of grounds. They equate bashing Israel the state with antisemitism for a start and also tend to hyperbolise. Essentially they’re on a par with the splc in how loosely, and dubiously, they collect and present their data.
Either way, from someone who regularly travels there I would still seriously debate the charges levelled at them by this group. The vast majority of Malaysians couldn’t give a rats ass about Israel. However, the dim view they take is not unreasonable Malaysia has very strong present and historical links to the Arab world both culturally and religiously and they view the atrocities that the regime there get up to negatively. So I will grant you there will of course be some trickle down hatred to the individual level (as applies to all countries though).

Again, I didn’t say anything about Israel, the frailty of your argument is really shown by your unwillingness to address what I’ve actually said.

The questions they asked are clear, to remind you: almost two thirds of those surveyed believe Jews suffer because of how Jews behave; almost two thirds believe that the Jews have too much influence over the American government; over half believe that Jews don’t care about what happens to anyone other than their own kind. This shows antisemitism.

We could also address all of the comments made by political leaders in Malaysia that are blatantly antisemitic.

What you said is that most Malaysians are rabid anti-semites. I addressed it, period.

Refer to my prior statement on the dubiousness of that particular 'pollster'. And, as i said, the dubiousness of polls to start with. Let me put it this way, if i were to take a 'random' sample group from KL it would likely be rather different from a sample group taken in JB just as it would be very different from one taken in Sabah and Sarawak.

Although they're not wrong that AIPAC has an over sized influence on the government. This is common knowledge, not anti-semitic.

The fact remains you are tarring an entire nation with a dubious brush

and arguably one that doesnt exist anymore due to the loose and frankly slapdash manner in which people attribute everything and anything to anti-semitism these days.

But to go back to the thread original purpose, Malaysia has every right to deny Israelis entry to their country for any reason they so please.

Like...?

I'd also be curious to know how a couple of leaders, alleged, remarks constitute 32,000,000 odd people being anti-semites. Malaysia may well have anti-semites in the country (as does every country) but given that a semite is also an Arab it becomes somewhat more complex, no?

Again, though, go to Malaysia and see for yourself because i'm afraid I can put little stock in any argument that comes from a dubious organisation on par with the SPLC and where the person making this comment, i assume, has not even bothered to speak to any Malaysians on the matter.

No, you said: "The vast majority of Malaysians couldn’t give a rats ass about Israel" - I had never mentioned Israel, the discussion was on antisemitism, not anti-Israel opinions.

If you have a problem with their sampling the burden is on you to provide some kind of evidence that their sampling has led to a misleading result, you're yet to do that. All you've done is attack the credibility of the ADL without any foundation.

The AIPAC donates exactly $0 to political candidates or campaigns. The lobbying spend of the AIPAC is tiny. Please provide some kind of evidence to explain your position that the AIPAC has 'over-sized influence' on the US government.

Please quote where I said all Malaysians are antisemitic.

So because some people use the term antisemitism rather loosely or inappropriately, it doesn't exist? Sound logic.

Something we agree on. I haven't question whether Malaysia has that right, I'm just sceptical of the motivation behind the decision given the past quotes of the president who made the decision.

Mahathir is well known for propagating the evil Jewish cabal running the world conspiracy idea which forms the basis of virtually all antisemitism. He's been quoted as calling Jews 'hooked nosed' and having 'an instinctive sense of money'; he's inferred that Jews are looking to wipe out all Muslims; he claims that Jews 'run the world by proxy'. In a vacuum most of these quotes seem fairly innocuous but when you combine that the Jews run the world conspiracy and the results of the ADL poll it suggests a problem.

Again, at no point have I claimed that all Malaysians are antisemites, this is yet another example of you lying about what I've said. The results of the ADL survey, combined with the fact that a person who is a self titled 'proud antisemite' has so consistently won elections, shows a widespread problematic view.

The fact that 'semite' includes Arabs is irrelevant, 'antisemitism' is commonly understood to mean prejudice toward Jews both ethnically and religiously.

Again, you're attacking the credibility of the ADL without any evidence. You instead want me to go and find my own anecdotal evidence.

The ADL, and by extention you, have already conflated them into the same thing.

If your only reply is for me to go and ask every Malaysian myself ... Don't be so patently ridiculous.
The fact it is a highly partisan organisation with a fixed agenda is not exactly a secret...

Thats a lie as well you know.
There you go though. 0-374-17772-4

That is exactly what happens when you start calling absolutely everything antisemitic.

Which premier? Razak or?
Either way the motivation is neither here nor there Israelis have been banned from Malaysia for many years, justas Malaysians are banned from visiting Israel (unless theyre Christian)

I would point out the reiteration of hoary old troped by a man whose 1 foot in the grave is hardly much of a problem.

Although amusingly enough they do have certain points, if for the wrong reasons, on some of their claims. Find me a major American Bank that wasnt founded by a Jewish banking dynasty ... or a Russian one for that matter, most of their oligarchs (well the last set at any rate) tended to be jewish.

Do you even know what a lie is?
No it shows an issue with one person (something you literally just said) And given that your inference that their premier is a symptom of the problem and he represents the will of Malaysians, its hardly a grand leap for you to be insinuating their all anti-semites.

I have a better question though, why do you care what his beliefs are? Malaysia and ISrael have not had any form of ties before so it is an irrelevant point that you seem to be determined to harp on about due to some queer idealism that everyone should be nice?

I'm pretty sure i've explained exactly why I find the ADL and polls to be a croque of **** ad nauseum. If you insist i can send you references though?

https://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/whats-survey-could-improved/ - this literally being the first result on google for it.
The fact remains its a questionable highly partisan organisation, a spy one no less, that peddles propaganda. If you dont know the flaws in polling well, then that is truly not my problem.

Where did I conflate the two?

So does Cancer Research UK exaggerate the number of cancer sufferers? Or Unicef exaggerate the number of children living in poverty? After all both have a vested interest in having people believe in the prevalence of the harm they were created to combat.

If you think it's a lie then please do find some evidence of a donation to a campaign by the AIPAC[
I'm not sure what the number is a reference to. /quote]
Go read the booj i linked. Whilst AIPAc itself notionally doesnt contribute directly it most certainly does indirectly.
I'm not sure what the number is a reference to.
It's an ISBN...


No but it does mean there is a delightful grey zone exists because peopkle have watered the term back so much where it can accurately be said to be devoid of much meaning anything.


I see nothing wrong with the man. He's a better chap than his predecessor.

That is a de facto ban... although qualified with hard nosed realism


Again, in this instance his alleged anti-semitism is not an issue for Malaysia and he needed to win that election regardless. Unless you think a corrupt quasi-autocrat is better than someone who plays for sound bites?


No, most of them have gobbled up the Jewish started ones like Lehmen, Saloman et al.
I dont recall intimating that big business was founded by jews? I merely said that their claim that finance is/was disproportionately represented by Jews had a grain of truth in it. Even if they have a rather perverse motive for saying it.


Its a dubious leap to make that is all im saying on the matter.
However, I stand by him being a deserving candidate and his comments on jews dont detract from that given what Razak and him crime syndicate got up to.
Would you mind clarifying how it is a 'problem' in Malaysia though? As in what tangible negatives are attached to this allegation?



Ideal worlds and that.



I literally just said why?



So because it supports my argument it must ipso facto be wrong and shot down with a shoddy straw man? Right.


That is another reason why polls arent to be trusted, the phrasing of questions can easily be made to change the outcome (that just being general good knowledge as opposed to a specific reply)
Well seeing as they Jews//Israelis do broadly tend to be the same its not an unreasonable position to take. Not to mention, if they were interviewing the more rural Malaysians who havent been university educated on the matter - and thus probably couldnt give a **** for jews or israelis one way or the other - its hardly an egregious mistake on their part.

Usually i tend to agree on the last point however the argument can easily be made that you should be judging the population based on their government, after all, who put the government in power?