Reputation of Nottingham University?

I understand that sometimes League Tables are self-fulfilling prophecies. But if Notts truly have strength in general, as some have claimed here, then the elasticity of the demand by its applicants shouldn't be large. But clearly atm the statistic shows there are other alternatives to Notts in general. How is that shown?
As you have said Nott used to be top 6th in entry standards and now according to times 15th in entry standards.
This fall can be conclude that top applicant are being drawn away to other universities (or Nott's alternatives).

One might argue that the current safety issue in Notts can be blamed for this. I agree to some extent but I disagree that it is a main issue that caused Nott's fall.
Why? Again the argument is the alternative choice. If Notts is truly remarkably great in general then it might fall due to safety issues but not that great. Such is evident in Notts Law and Economic Applicants. They have no better alternatives, under they condition, even taking safety issue into account.

If Nott is truly great and reputed as the top 10 then Notts would not fail to attract strong applicants as they had before. But clearly there are better alternatives to Notts in subject that Notts is not reputed at.

One might argue that the current safety issue in Notts can be blamed for this. I agree to some extent but I disagree that it is a main issue that caused Nott's fall.

I'm certain it plays a much larger role than you're giving it credit for. Often teachers will talk positively about Nottingham, yet pupils will disregard it due to crime stories. Apart from myself, no one at my school is considering Nottingham due to the high levels of crime - even if they love the course, the university, etc. This same situation occurs at plenty of schools.

but even still with the sharp drop it was always top ten for tariff, this year seems a bit of an anomolie.

... I agree there are so many 'top ten' unis to choose from, at least 12, and all are very similar, and when I applied I was consistently told 'why Nottingham, isnt the crime terrible.' and even still almost everyone in the country seems to know about 'shottingham', you cant blame a student for reconsidering there options, given that it is still very hard to get into, when they are told by the Times that if they leave the house they will be shot with an uzi, which is utter tripe btw.

I think employers haven't taken notice that Nottingham has dropped out of the 'top 10' as more students from Nottingham get into investment banking than Bristol/Durham/St.Andrews/Edinburgh/Bath etc.

Nor was it for 2008, I can't find the later years league tables.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?sort=ENTRY



Surely the Economic and Law student would also be affected by this?
But they weren't as great as the university as a whole. It's possible that those number that formerly belonged to Notts have gone to other top 10 but surely those other top already near filled without Notts' lost numbers. It's fair to conclude that those numbers may have gone to out of top 10. And it's tempting to say that this lose on Notts allowed another unis to enter top 10. But which uni have replaced Notts in top 10 for entry tariffs?

If there isn't such an uni then there are two possible reasons.
(A) The tariff are heavily divided amongst the out of top 10.
(B) Notts' lost tariff isn't significantly large

If it was B, this implies the current league table's entry tariff are largely due to increase of grades amongst recent students. And Nott didn't get the new share in this increase which ultimately pushed it down.

If it was A, then that would mean Nott's relatively weak in other subject compared to its reputed ones. Why? Because the alternatives is not just a few but many.

Notts' crime rate might be high but if its truly reputably strong in other subjects then the student wouldn't find comparative advantage in other unis outside the top 10.

As you can see, I just wish to understand how the current things can be any proof that Notts was a reputed uni as a few claimed here.

Do you have anything to back up such a statement? Because I find that extremely hard to believe.

The actual reason for the tariff drop has been the large increase in the number of courses. In the last few years this has been immense, with countless added. Now the tariff has remained very high for the main courses such as straight History, English etc, but they have added English with portugese or History with czech and a host of random things. When they had loads of applicants this was okay because they could fill them, but now they cannot and as such these courses that arent as popular and their tariffs bring the universities down. Unis like Durham or St Andrews dont have this number of courses, they only have maybe 4 or 5 in a department, and as such there tariffs have remained the same. Oh and btw, the tariffs for law and economic have dropped, as well as the applicant numbers as well. Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you have against Notts, posting on this forum and all. If you dont think it is that good outside of law and economics then why because you dont say, and who is better?

Do you have anything to back up such a statement? Because I find that extremely hard to believe.

I'll take that as a no then.

The actual reason for the tariff drop has been the large increase in the number of courses. In the last few years this has been immense, with countless added. Now the tariff has remained very high for the main courses such as straight History, English etc, but they have added English with portugese or History with czech and a host of random things. When they had loads of applicants this was okay because they could fill them, but now they cannot and as such these courses that arent as popular and their tariffs bring the universities down. Unis like Durham or St Andrews dont have this number of courses, they only have maybe 4 or 5 in a department, and as such there tariffs have remained the same. Oh and btw, the tariffs for law and economic have dropped, as well as the applicant numbers as well. Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you have against Notts, posting on this forum and all. If you dont think it is that good outside of law and economics then why because you dont say, and who is better?

I always thought that it was easily on a par with Bristol, Warwick, those ranks but I know what you mean about the rankings, I look at some, namely politics and it's 19th I think in the most recent Times which seems incredibly low.

As I'm sure you've guessed, I want to study Politics so if you have any opinions on the dept...
I'm after doing their new MSci, know anything about it?

Sorry if this is annoying

Many thanks

Edit: It is possible that JP Morgan sponsored the Economic Department for research other than just recruiting students.

Bang on. The economics department offer a vast number of (largely) pointless joint honors courses and include:

Economics with French BA Hons

What is pointless about this degree? It allows people to persue more than one interest and potentially develop a career abroad. Languages students are in high demand by employers, so I have heard...