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South Ossetia conflict

Ethereal

So instead Canada would rather use force and spread this conflict further, prolonging it and increasing death on all sides. Really, that's sensible.

Canada is one of the old Empire powers though. Why is our questioning worrying? Is it because for once there is a country that thinks threatening war is not conducive to achieving peace?

Face it, Canada can not threated Russia. If Russia wishes to carry on what it is doing, it will call Canada's bluff. Canada then has to admit it never wanted war and back down thus losing face, or it will have to push ahead and send a generation to die in something akin to Vietnam.

Clearly brinksmanship is the most dangerous course of action.

Canada accuses South Africa of completely missing the point. Does the South African representative have a view on Russia's targeting civilians, or are they simply stirring fruitlessly?

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Ethereal

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TimmyVermicelli

Canada accuses South Africa of completely missing the point. Does the South African representative have a view on Russia's targeting civilians, or are they simply stirring fruitlessly?

How exactly is South Africa stirring when it is Canada who threatens war?

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TimmyVermicelli

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Ethereal

How exactly is South Africa stirring when it is Canada who threatens war?

Canada would like a resolution, South Africa apparently would like to irritate relations with other nations.

Reply 23

Ethereal

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TimmyVermicelli

Canada would like a resolution, South Africa apparently would like to irritate relations with other nations.

How does you threatening a nation bring about a resolution?

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TimmyVermicelli

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Russia rarely responds to much else.

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lodzinski

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Russia is dismayed to canada's flippant and threatening attitude, and its desire to protect the 'innocent georgians' despite it being the Georgian forces invading sovereign territory and killing Russian citizens and soldiers.

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TimmyVermicelli

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The ordinary, working-class Georgians have very little to do with this conflict. What is Russia's explanation as to bombing targets well outwith South Ossetia, in Georgia itself?

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lodzinski

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russia asks canada to provide evidence of action being taken that is not in the interest of protection russian nationals within south ossetia

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Ethereal

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As a purely OOC point - bombing civillians is legal within conflict as long as the aim isn't just to bomb them or to commit genocide. If you are bombing civillians to undermine the government it's fine.

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Student2806

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France once again calls for an immediate ceasefie in South Ossetia. This can be the only course of action that ensures the safety of everyone in the region.

It also reminds members that the situation concerning South Ossetia is complex, and pointing the finger of blame at one party alone is unwise if regional stability is to be maintained.

Members directly challenging and confronting each other is not something the United Nations will not stand for, and France urges all threats between representatives to be withdrawn immediately.

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lodzinski

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russia is making no threats, merely asserting its right to protect Russian citizens whom georgia regards as dissidents. Russia echoes the sentiment of France regarding the complexity of the situation, and reminds the general assembly that the issue in South Ossetia is one between Russia and Georgia, and that intevention by other nations would be both unneccessary, and unwise, further destabilising the region.

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Mrgd291190

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Luxembourg wishes to point out that the EU has often offered help in the South Ossetian and Abkhazian situations, offering to send peacekeepers there in addition to a Russian-led force, in order to keep any force impartial.

We are willing to criticize Georgia for initiating the "attack", though surely it is Russia that has broken international law by intervening in another countries territorial integrity, which is illegal, despite Russia's aims being in defence of its citizens.

We would also call on Canada not to threaten force though we would like to point out to the RSA that Canada have never been an imperialistic power.

A Resolution recalling all countries to their national boundaries, excepting South Ossetia i.e. that Georgian forces retire to Georgian de facto territory and Russian forces retreat to Russia, would allow sufficient calm to be able to solve this situation, feels Luxembourg. A similar resolution was proposed by RL Russia but didn't appear to sufficiently condemn the use of force by Russia.

While the conflict does not concern other countries, per se, Georgia is a possible candidate for EU membership and Georgia and Russia are members of the UN - thus this conflict is most definitely UN business. Georgia is a key ally in Iraq, and needed for an oil pipeline, thus America may intercede.

[OOC] Do we have a Georgian Rep? Otherwise this is going to leave the other countries to have to take a lead against Russia, which is exactly what the world should be trying to avoid. :s I've been on hols so nor do I have no idea who the US rep is either? [/OOC]

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Student2806

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lodzinski

russia is making no threats, merely asserting its right to protect Russian citizens whom georgia regards as dissidents. Russia echoes the sentiment of France regarding the complexity of the situation, and reminds the general assembly that the issue in South Ossetia is one between Russia and Georgia, and that intevention by other nations would be both unneccessary, and unwise, further destabilising the region.

France and the wider international community would be delighted to see Russia and Georgia end the conflict peacefully themselves, but given the fact that the Russian military is attacking Georgian military targets miles away from South Ossetia, and Georgian forces themselves show no signs of ending their offensive against 'rebel separatists' in South Ossetia, this seems almost impossible at the current time.
France would also like Russia to understand that the international community cannot morally stand as a spectator whilst Russia and Georgia 'resolve' this crisis with brute force and firepower, as is happening now - killing innocent civilians in the process.
Envoys from the EU, OSCE and the United States are essential in the process of brokering peace between the two sides.
The international community not taking any action now could push Russia and Georgia into a full blown war, destabilising not only the region, but the world as a whole. This can not be allowed to happen.

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Student2806

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Mrgd291190

[OOC] Do we have a Georgian Rep? Otherwise this is going to leave the other countries to have to take a lead against Russia, which is exactly what the world should be trying to avoid. :s I've been on hols so nor do I have no idea who the US rep is either? [/OOC]

OOC - No, we don't have a Georgian rep at the moment, which is making the situation even more difficult to discuss. The US rep election is in its Q&A phase right now.

Reply 34

01kij114

The United Kingdom condemns the action and declines to accept it is similar to the Iraq situation.

Reply 35

Ethereal

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01kij114

The United Kingdom condemns the action and declines to accept it is similar to the Iraq situation.

Would that be because the UK involved itself in an illegal war in Iraq where it went on to commit war crimes for which it is yet to be held to account?

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01kij114

What War crimes ? have you evidence of such event?

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Ethereal

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01kij114

What War crimes ? have you evidence of such event?

The British army has tried its own soldiers for doing things which are also breaches of the conventions of war.

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01kij114

So therefore it has be held to account.

Reply 39

Ethereal

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01kij114

So therefore it has be held to account.

Incorrect, the soldiers have been scapegoated whilst those who ordered it have not. The nation state and the government of such have not been held to account. They have acted as war criminals and should be brought before the Hague.

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