Try a 11 plus exam from the 1950&#x27;s online: Why is it so hard?

Zygroth

That took 35 minutes. The things in there are generally the same sort of things you get in today's 11+ exams I think. Considering how the questions are all really similar, it wouldn't have been hard for a 10 year old to prepare for it...

This explains why you did well. :p:

Reply 43

Lucy Pevensie

I was born into a priviledged section of society, so I have an obligation to use my talent for the benefit of all britons. Otherwise it would be unfair right? :yep:

We need more people at uni coz we believe in their unrealised talent :yep:

Interesting: you believe that you should use your opportunities to benefit other Britons, but you also believe that those opportunities should be kept for a select few?

Reply 44

jismith1989

Interesting: you believe that you should use your opportunities to benefit other Britons, but you also believe that those opportunities should be kept for a select few?

I never said that. I think the opportunities offered to me should be offered to all kids. :yep:

Reply 45

Lucy Pevensie

I never said that. I think the opportunities offered to me should be offered to all kids. :yep:

But grammar schools are by nature selective. :s-smilie:

I believe that all people can succeed if given the opportunities; I don't believe in any great level of innate intelligence.

Reply 46

quadruple_twist

66/80: 83%

*Feels retarded*

Reply 47

Serious_sam

I dont know if its been mentioned ( I am really tired and the thread is long) I think the reason why you all failed so badly ( I havent taken the exam out of fear [Im meant to be clever and my ego cant take a beating at this stage]) is because we arent aloud to fail anymore. The whole it the taking part that counts thing as come round and biten us on the arse- resulting in substandard 12/13 year olds, easier exams and pleased parents.

Reply 48

jismith1989

But grammar schools are by nature selective. :s-smilie:

I believe that all people can succeed if given the opportunities; I don't believe in any great level of innate intelligence.

Grammar schools are selective because there are not enough resources invested in the school system for everyone to get the same opportunities. Our society is not perfect, and equal opportunity in education is something we should work on to achieve. However I dont think my belief in that everyone should get an equal opportunities in education should deter me from going to grammar school if I have the ability to do so, since not going there would mean not taking up the opportunity to realise my full potential; and I believe that realising potential is the ultimate goal of education. I did not design the current school system, so I have to play by the rules. But by realising my potential I think I will be able to have the opportunity in the future to redesign the system to be more in accordance to my Labour beliefs for the benefit of future kids of our glorious empire :yep:

Reply 49

Lucy Pevensie

But by realising my potential I think I will be able to have the opportunity in the future to redesign the system to be more in accordance to my Labour beliefs for the benefit of future kids of our glorious empire :yep:

That last bit proves why you will never do so. An empire is a bastion and perpetuation of inequality. :wink:

Reply 50

oriel historian

That last bit proves why you will never do so. An empire is a bastion and perpetuation of inequality. :wink:

Not if the territory you want to benefit happens to be the cultural, economic, political and military center of the empire :smile:

Reply 51

Lucy Pevensie

Not if the territory you want to benefit happens to be the cultural, economic, political and military center of the empire :smile:

Then you're not Labour at all. Perpetuating an empire promotes inequality around the world and shores up a small amount of people at the expense of a very large amount of people. That, alas, is rather more in tune with the Conservative values of people like Winston Churchill than 'Labour' values.

Reply 52

SugarExplosion

Your score is 90% – that's 72/80

Happy enough with that - took me just over 20 minutes. I don't think it's too much different from the logic stuff I did in my 11+ really tbh

Reply 53

oriel historian

Well, with New Labour anyone can be anything. Ideology is just a minor annoyance nowadays.

Reply 54

jismith1989

Well, with New Labour anyone can be anything. Ideology is just a minor annoyance nowadays.

She isn't flying the New Labour flag, though, she's flying the Labour Rose. That suggests Old Labour to me, and if that's true: being pro-imperialism is at odds with its values.

Reply 55

oriel historian

She isn't flying the New Labour flag, though, she's flying the Labour Rose. That suggests Old Labour to me, and if that's true: being pro-imperialism is at odds with its values.

Well, she's probably just a little politically confused: she wouldn't be the only one.

Reply 56

LizB

79% – that's 63/80

I go to a Grammar school myself and am tutoring someone for their eleven plus, so I found that okay as I am used to looking at the questions. I did, however, skip all the multiplication type ones because I droped maths for a reason (I find it tedius).

Reply 57

Im new Labour ftw :wink:

But I agree we have started to lose a sense of direction and need to redefine ourselves more clearly. Hopefully the leadership will do that soon, otherwise I have to do the dirty work :smile:

As for the definition of empire, cant you define Britain as a empire without its military component, eg we still project political, cultural and economic power, especially within the commonwealth and other former colonies. And empire doesnt have to mean opression, right? I was reading John Lewis Gaddis take on the cold war and the "American empire" which was quite democratic after all. Mr Orielhistorian who have phD from Swansea, please comment on that :smile:

Reply 58