Should nurses be paid more?

They had time to dance because not all nurses were on ICU/ventilation wards.

Quite a lot we’re on low intensity wards looking after people who couldn’t be released.

The dancing was absolutely pathetic and should never have been done/celebrated but it doesn’t take a genius to work out how there was time for certain nurses to do idiotic TikTok’s.

Low intensity? They were telling us hospitals were completely overwhelmed!

I had an argument about it with a nurse on twitter where I basically said I didn't believe they were that busy. She said I should come and see the covid ward with my own eyes. When I accepted and asked what time to show up, she changed her mind and said I couldn't do it. It was probably just a figure of speech rather than a genuine invitation but the sudden change made me very suspicious.

Does anyone know the average salary for junior doctors compared to nurses?

I had a quick look and it appears that the average salary for a nurse is currently £35k and for a junior doctor it’s £34,790 so pretty similar.

I think many people would be surprised that on average nurses are paid the same as junior doctors, considering the difference in length of time studying and expectations/fallout if something goes wrong.

Does anyone know the average salary for junior doctors compared to nurses?

I had a quick look and it appears that the average salary for a nurse is currently £35k and for a junior doctor it’s £34,790 so pretty similar.

I think many people would be surprised that on average nurses are paid the same as junior doctors, considering the difference in length of time studying and expectations/fallout if something goes wrong.

Wow... but source please?

In this case, maybe the nurses are being entitled jerks. They're being paid more than junior doctors for **** sakes.

I’m more surprised that someone would try to make a comparison of average nurse salaries, which includes senior nursing roles, with junior doctors.

It is not a like for like comparison.

Junior Doctors also includes people on salaries of up to nearly £60k, so again, whilst not an exact comparison due to senior nurses being on £100k+, it does seem a bit odd that nobody has any thoughts on the junior doctor pay.

Junior Doctors also includes people on salaries of up to nearly £60k, so again, whilst not an exact comparison due to senior nurses being on £100k+, it does seem a bit odd that nobody has any thoughts on the junior doctor pay.

In reality I suspect meeting their demand in full would possibly be unworkable and NHS staff certainly aren't the only groups with valid demands for improvement, but I certainly think the Gov need to do a hell of a lot better than stonewalling, shifting blame and hiding impotently behind review bodies and at least meet them halfway. At the end of the day, if nurses are priced out of their housing and expenses, that's it, they go elsewhere to make ends meet and you end up with piles of unfilled vacancies, agency premiums and more cynical playing on staffs compassion to stress them to sacrifice and do more with less.

who gets 100+??

Anyhow, we should concentrate the argument on those nurses (registered and non registered) being paid a miserable 19K a year that are working for 12 hrs doing the amount of work that would normally require 2 people. All because there is not enough staff.

I have lots of thoughts about junior doctors pay, but that is not what we are talking about here.

Junior doctors hitting close to £60k are around 8 years into their career and still essentially in a training phase of their careers.

Poor pay for junior doctors, working conditions, and doctor shortages, particularly of GPs, has been covered extensively in the quality press and trade magazines for years. The government is very much aware of the issue.

Just because there isn’t a thread on TSR, doesn’t mean people don’t have thoughts on the issue.

Band 9 is £95k-£110k, so I would assume someone is getting it?

That is 1 or 2 people in a trust, plus they are not on the ward floor those people. They sit in the executives room.

Yet they are still a nurse?

At what band do you stop counting the nurse as a real nurse?

According to the BBC, 42% of nurses are band 5 which is a minimum of 27k.

What we have here is another London problem, a lot of the others are in places where that wage shouldn’t leave them struggling.

That's an appalling salary for a job with awful working conditions that requires at least 3 years of training.

(Bear in mind I’m pay-rise positive)

The people who become nurses are well aware of the pay and working conditions but still sign up for the job.