While you were criticizing Israel...

Hopping Mad Kangaroo

Its not going to last - look at Global Trends 2025. If there is a superpower next time around, it won't be a western nation, that's for sure.

Yeah I've read it, I wouldn't read too much into it, remember the last big prediction by the U.S government about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

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Jaquafresh

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Bateman

do you really need to ask?
It's because Israel is a developed country, it is a democracy, it has good internal human rights etc. etc.

the congo rebels aren't human, who do we protest against? all we can do is hope the un does something about it.

Israel on the other hand, we can protest against.

Cough.

what

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Hopping Mad Kangaroo

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jamessimth5

Yeah I've read it, I wouldn't read too much into it, remember the last big prediction by the U.S government about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Some parts of the US government are more reliable that others...

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jamessimth5

Jaquafresh

Cough.

what

Cyborgs

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danielf90

Coral_10

These kinds of threads are just as bad as the non-existent Congo threads that the OP's complaining about though. If Muslims, or no, feel like they want to talk about Israel they will. If you want to talk about the Congo then you should start up a thread about that. It's their choice.

Seriously, how many of these people you're protesting against know about the Congo? I doubt many do! Why not discuss it yourself if you're concerned about it. More people here are concerned about the crisis in Palestine, that's truth and that's how it's going to be. Making a thread like this just makes you look bad. That's why you get people accusing you of trying to deflect attention. Why not do it properly if you want to deflect attention and actually discuss the Congo instead of discussing why pro-Palestinians and muslims don't want to discuss the Congo?

I made a thread about the LRA in the Congo. I tried to understand the conflict and I was accused of trying to divert the attention away from Israel.

People, especially Europeans and the younger generation of Brits, see the fact that Israel is equipped and sponsored by America, killing poor people and that's quite a big message being sent out to these people. The fact that during the first weeks, the US failed to call for a ceasefire - whether that's right or wrong is irrelevant, because the rest of the nations in the world wanted one.

Firstly, that is so bloody retarded. What is wrong with america? Hamas are 'sponsored by' Iran - are brits annoyed about that too?!

Not calling for a ceasefire?T It's bloody typical - as soon as a ceasefire is calling, these self-flagelating idiots in the guardian then criticise Israel for calling a ceasefire! They can't win either way with these deluded idiots!

I think Israel will be judged on higher standards because of the fact that it's a more developed country, it's practically sponsored by the world's biggest superpower, it's just the way it is. Just accept it. Alright, i understand if you want to protest against Israel being judged by a morally higher standard (cos I don't know why it's fundamentally achieved that status myself), but just popping up and randomly posting links to other stories does no justice to you or the poor people in that story. It's as if you're just using it as a tool. If you're serious, go ahead and make threads to discuss it.

This is nothing to do with Israel being judged on higher standards, that is not it. It is the fact that putrid bile seems to come spilling out of peoples mouths whenever Israel is mentioned. With no other nationality or ethnic group could you get away with trying to force sports players out of competitions. Can you imagine if a zimbabwean tennis player was heckled out of a competition because of her nationality?! It would not be accepted but when it comes to Israel and the jooos, it's fine - it's moral, it MUST be done (according to the guardian's commentisfree posters). Why the double standard?

Sure, Israel should be held to higher standards, but not to the extent where people HATE israel and only Israel - this is not a case of people holding Israel to higher stands, it is NOT!

I've found that the older generation in Europe is more neutral on the issue of the conflict but the younger generation isn't. I've found that the vast majority of students i've met (in countries such as France, German, Italy, Turkey etc) have a more anti-Israel stance now as the generations pass, and i'm sure a lot of you know that it's the case in this country as well, and the real story is that the vast majority of these people aren't even muslims - but that's another issue.

Then what is the issue. Part of it is that students have an uncanny ability to get involved in hard left student groups (a la 'Stop the War' (who support violent resistance against Israelis) or the Socialist Workers (who think barack obama is the world's number 1 terrorist)), which have a history of anti-semitism and these mindless students get caught up in it all....

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danielf90

farhan

It's always diverting away from Israel. Away from Israel... It's never the other way around.

Israel isn't as bad, Israel isn't as bad.

That is worse, talk about that. We don't care about that but talk about that.

Don't criticise our country, look at them! They've killed MORE! We are more moral! LOOK AT US.

Don't ever talk about us. Because we are not as bad. We don't actually care about those dying in Congo, but we care that you care about Palestinians and innocent human life.

LOOK THE OTHER WAY. Close your eyes.

Or perhaps this post was trying to highlight the fact that people here do NOT care about anything other than hating Israel. To many (myself included) it leads me to the conclusion that there is obviously something else at play here.

So the point is:

Israel SHOULD be criticised, but to criticise ONLY israel is bizarre.

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danielf90

farhan

This is just a dirty perverted attempt to try and hide Israel's inhumane and terrorist actions.

Make threads about Congo instead of wasting your time defending Israel's war crimes. You disgust me.

I did. Everyone ignored it.

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danielf90

Or perhaps this post was trying to highlight the fact that people here do NOT care about anything other than hating Israel. To many (myself included) it leads me to the conclusion that there is obviously something else at play here.

So the point is:

Israel SHOULD be criticised, but to criticise ONLY israel is bizarre.

I criticise many countries, but usually
1. nobody is outrageous enough on here to defend the people i attack so there is no point.
2. the country is some insignificant backwater- you expect nothing more of people essentially living in the stone age.

this is not the case with israel-palestine.

OH, but i am criticising ISRAEL so i MUST be anti-semitic. get a grip :rolleyes:

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farhan

This is just a dirty perverted attempt to try and hide Israel's inhumane and terrorist actions.

Make threads about Congo instead of wasting your time defending Israel's war crimes. You disgust me.

you're missing the point of the thread i think. what makes palestinians more important than slaughtered africans?

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loafer

I criticise many countries, but usually
1. nobody is outrageous enough on here to defend the people i attack so there is no point.
2. the country is some insignificant backwater- you expect nothing more of people essentially living in the stone age.

this is not the case with israel-palestine.

OH, but i am criticising ISRAEL so i MUST be anti-semitic. get a grip :rolleyes:

so that makes african lives less significant? perhaps their country is a backwater because no-one cares enough to change it?

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Hopping Mad Kangaroo

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curryADD

so that makes african lives less significant? perhaps their country is a backwater because no-one cares enough to change it?

Its a backwater because the US and co insist on exporting their brand of democracy over there.

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curryADD

so that makes african lives less significant? perhaps their country is a backwater because no-one cares enough to change it?

quit trying the character assasination on anyone who criticises israel. its getting boring

'zomg i think that loafer thinks that africans are less important! he must be racist! well he is an anti-semite so that explains it! yeah thats it, nobody who isnt an anti-semite could possibly hate israel'

dont bother trying to put words in my mouth. those are obviously directed at me because you quoted me.

no, i said that there is no point of me preaching about how bad they are on this student forum because nobody defends them.

when did i ever say that i dont care for them? im sure that we all care for all human life equally.

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loafer

quit trying the character assasination on anyone who criticises israel. its getting boring

'zomg i think that loafer thinks that africans are less important! he must be racist! well he is an anti-semite so that explains it! yeah thats it, nobody who isnt an anti-semite could possibly hate israel'

dont bother trying to put words in my mouth. those are obviously directed at me because you quoted me.

no, i said that there is no point of me preaching about how bad they are on this student forum because nobody defends them.

when did i ever say that i dont care for them? im sure that we all care for all human life equally.

you made your own bed by stating that....that you didn't talk about it because as it's the "backwater" it's pointless to talk about. :rolleyes:

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curryADD

you made your own bed by stating that....that you didn't talk about it because as it's the "backwater" it's pointless to talk about. :rolleyes:

well no because any rational person would see that i never said anything about how i value the lives of africans.

i never also commented on whether i care about the situation in 'backwaters' or not (like you said), i commented on whether i will use tsr to debate it. read the post again if you want.

i dont bother moaning about the situations in the backwaters because by definition-

loafer

you expect nothing more of people essentially living in the stone age

in a more long-winded way:
i would not expect a society/group which is so much 'less developped' that our own to conform to my individual set of morals and act like a 'first-world' nation - so obviously it would be stupid of me to criticise.

ED: i think thats what i meant, anyway. its late/early

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loafer

well no because any rational person would see that i never said anything about how i value the lives of africans.

i never also commented on whether i care about the situation in 'backwaters' or not (like you said), i commented on whether i will use tsr to debate it. read the post again if you want.

i dont bother moaning about the situations in the backwaters because by definition-

in a more long-winded way:
i would not expect a society/group which is so much 'less developped' that our own to conform to my individual set of morals and act like a 'first-world' nation - so obviously it would be stupid of me to criticise.

ED: i think thats what i meant, anyway. its late/early

How strange. It seems to me that banging in someone's head with a club even in the "less-developed" world is a violation of basic ethical code. Unless you're choosing to discount the fact that even in ancient texts they had such a statement thousands of years ago, and with much more limited technology than even Africa enjoys. :rolleyes:

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