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Reply 120
Could anyone elaborate about Gonville and Caius College - i.e. what kind of atmosphere does it have etc, etc.

I noticed (on the unofficial prospectus, which gives the figures) that is has the lowest proportion of state educated students out of all the colleges. As well as this, it was mentioned that it is seen as 'snobby' - therefore, would state school pupils feel at home there? Cheers for any advice people :smile:
Jerby
Could anyone elaborate about Gonville and Caius College - i.e. what kind of atmosphere does it have etc, etc.

I noticed (on the unofficial prospectus, which gives the figures) that is has the lowest proportion of state educated students out of all the colleges. As well as this, it was mentioned that it is seen as 'snobby' - therefore, would state school pupils feel at home there? Cheers for any advice people :smile:


One of my teachers is a fellow there and I've had the guided tour. The college is very keen to get more state-schooled students so they'll go out of their way to help you if you ask them for advice.

It's pretty, very academic and especially popular with scientists, particularly medics. Students work hard but seem really chilled out for some reason. It's probably one of the tougher ones to get into (insofar as it makes a difference at all, don't get me started). Has a very nice dining hall with stained glass DNA! Good food, too. If you're fat you'll find it hard to squeeze under their tables because they're quite low.

Great location. Also has a truly inspiring library. The atmosphere seemed pleasant when we were there (during term time).

Good choice.
Reply 122
Jerby
Could anyone elaborate about Gonville and Caius College - i.e. what kind of atmosphere does it have etc, etc.

I noticed (on the unofficial prospectus, which gives the figures) that is has the lowest proportion of state educated students out of all the colleges. As well as this, it was mentioned that it is seen as 'snobby' - therefore, would state school pupils feel at home there? Cheers for any advice people :smile:


Why do applicants think that state school students just wont get along with private school students? The differences between the two groups really arent that significant - the mix is always incredibly thorough wherever I have looked. I don't think caius has a "snobby" attitude, it's rather perhaps a hard-work ethic, and competitive nature in sport. There certainly isn't a college that is so snobby that state schoolers wouldnt fit in. So please lose this point of view, it really isn't worth worrying about.
Reply 123
Cheers for the info georgecrabbe and Willa. :smile:

Just out of interest, (this is a bit cynical - but I have read the same) do you think that state schoolers stand a better chance at the college because of the current political climate? You can perhaps sense that there might be pressure on them to move that 41% from state schools up to 50% - if true, this might then work to state schooled pupils advantage.

I know you'll probably say 'They're all as difficult to get in as one another' or something, but it is a kind of logical argument.
Jerby
Cheers for the info georgecrabbe and Willa. :smile:

Just out of interest, (this is a bit cynical - but I have read the same) do you think that state schoolers stand a better chance at the college because of the current political climate? You can perhaps sense that there might be pressure on them to move that 41% from state schools up to 50% - if true, this might then work to state schooled pupils advantage.

I know you'll probably say 'They're all as difficult to get in as one another' or something, but it is a kind of logical argument.

Yes.
Mansfield College Oxford is definitely more of a positive discrimination (towards state schools and people with dysexia) college than many others I might name.
Reply 125
not that you like stats much.. :wink: but for 2005 entry:

Mansfield:
Applications from maintained - 78.3%
Offers to maintained - 64.0%

so both definitely way over the university averages (56.8 & 52.6 respectively). :smile:

but i wouldn't have thought it shows any suggestion of positive discrimination there - just that a pretty high % of state schoolers apply & hence get in?
the maintained success rate actually looks lower than quite a number of other colleges - which is what i would expect to support an argument of positive discrimination as opposed to merely being a state-school-attractive-college (very un-PC I'm sure! :redface: ), no..?

Dyslexia comments v interesting though - anecdotes or any more too it than that/special provisions etc? (something i'm vaguely involved in!)
Reply 126
was wondering if anyone could tell me what's the word on corpus christi cambridge? Small = claustrophobic, or just a friendly community, and posh = snobby or, well, not I suppose! Thanks :smile:
Reply 127
I was pooled from Corpus and got told by the students around at my New Hall interview that Corpus is very insular, and people within Corpus tend only to socialise with each other. Would like to hear another opinion - preferably an unfavourable one, so I can tell myself I had a lucky escape instead of kicking myself again for messing up my interview :p: j/k
Reply 128
In a way, I would say corpus is quite insular....but then again, so are a lot of the colleges - you tend to form your group of friends within your college. It's just with corpus being so small, it makes this behaviour all the more obvious.

Although of those I've met from corpus, I would have to say they're a friendly bunch. I don't know if they have any informal stereotype attached to them, but I don't think there was anything distinct about them which would allow me to think up one. So it looks like you'll be fine there.
Reply 129
Thanks for the replies! sounds good:smile:
Elles
not that you like stats much.. :wink: but for 2005 entry:

Mansfield:
Applications from maintained - 78.3%
Offers to maintained - 64.0%

so both definitely way over the university averages (56.8 & 52.6 respectively). :smile:

but i wouldn't have thought it shows any suggestion of positive discrimination there - just that a pretty high % of state schoolers apply & hence get in?
the maintained success rate actually looks lower than quite a number of other colleges - which is what i would expect to support an argument of positive discrimination as opposed to merely being a state-school-attractive-college (very un-PC I'm sure! :redface: ), no..?

Dyslexia comments v interesting though - anecdotes or any more too it than that/special provisions etc? (something i'm vaguely involved in!)


My dyslexic friend calls us the "special needs college":wink: , and there are certianly a lot of people with dyslexia in my year for such a small college.

The reason is that a former student 'guy hands' was dyslexic at a time when a lot less was known about it, and Mansfield was very nice to him, and afterwards he became a very wealthy benefactor of our college, making extra provision for dyslexic students.:biggrin:

From our website:

Mansfield
DYSLEXIC FINANCIER ACKNOWLEDGES HIS DEBT
GUY HANDS, the City financier who is said to have earned £40 million in a year's dealing for the Nomura Bank, credits the unorthodox ways of Mansfield College with providing the launchpad for his spectacular career.

His high-flying ambitions might have come to nothing, however, without the flexible approach he found at Oxford in the early 1980s. At a time when dyslexia was regarded with scepticism in much of the education system, he was given abbreviated reading lists and allowed to dictate his finals papers. Mr Hands, 40, said yesterday: "No one would have been able to read my writing, but the college was fantastically understanding. I would never have got through the reading we were expected to do if my tutor had not identified the key texts, and I would certainly have failed my finals without special arrangement.

"Dyslexics have a different way of thinking about problems, which can be extraordinarily productive ... They develop coping mechanisms ... which aren't trusted at school although they often are at university, for example using reasoning rather than knowledge-based solutions to problems."


As for the number of state school students, of course its high because there are more applicants from state schools. Mansfield goes out of its way to attract them, and its image is of a college strongly state school, so in a way its self-perpetuating. But, theres no way it could have been achieved in the first place without preference to state school students.:smile:
Reply 131
Is there are site where you can see how competitive each college is, either at ox or cam?

Information like apllicants per place etc.?

Cheers
I don't know about Cambridge but Oxford has a table of applicants per place at the back of the prospectus which shows each of the colleges. I don't know how useful that information is though in terms of choosing a college.
Reply 133
donvito
Is there are site where you can see how competitive each college is, either at ox or cam?

Information like apllicants per place etc.?

Cheers


http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/statistics/colleges.html

for Cambridge.

AFAIK Oxford does not publish applicants per place for each college, although it might be in the prospectus, I can't remember.
Reply 134
last_train
I don't know about Cambridge but Oxford has a table of applicants per place at the back of the prospectus which shows each of the colleges. I don't know how useful that information is though in terms of choosing a college.


Well there you go then, get hold of the prospectus (I think a new one for 2007 entry is being published in March).

EDIT: From the Oxford site:

Paper copies of the Oxford University Undergraduate Prospectus 2007-2008 will be available from March 2006.

So there you go, this site has an email address to get in touch so they can post a prospectus to you:

http://www.admissions.ox.ac.uk/prospectus/order.shtml
Reply 135
rubysolstice

Plus:
Near the engineering faculty
Accepts 17 yr olds (basically helped me eliminate every other college... i nearly died of happiness when i heard this)
Small, so easier to get to know people (I hope).....


i know this was mentioned ages ago...but does it mean that peterhouse is the only college which accepts 17 year olds? i hadn't read anything that suggests the other colleges only accept you if you're 18...i'll only be 17 when i go to uni, and i don't want to defer. so is peterhouse is the only college i can apply to?
Reply 136
Zerox
i know this was mentioned ages ago...but does it mean that peterhouse is the only college which accepts 17 year olds? i hadn't read anything that suggests the other colleges only accept you if you're 18...i'll only be 17 when i go to uni, and i don't want to defer. so is peterhouse is the only college i can apply to?


I think there are others (there are a couple of people at Clare who started when they were 17) but you do have to check with individual colleges, as some won't.
Reply 137
the other problem is i'll be applying for engineering - many colleges want prospective engineers to defer even if they are 18 (clare is among them)
Reply 138
Why are you so dead against deferring? All the engineers I know did loads of cool placements and stuff in their gap year. It could be really worthwhile.
Reply 139
well i dont really see much point in doing work BEFORE the course, and i just feel it'll be a waste of a year really. i'd much rather be at uni, but now theres this issue of age

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