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Reply 20
Subcutaneous
i work with paedophiles, rapists and sex offenders- and my conclusion is there is a mental illness behind it


This, but I'm not sure whether that goes for every case?
Oxy
This, but I'm not sure whether that goes for every case?



no it doesn't
Reply 22
You're friend is right, paedophilia, as long as you don't rape or molest a child is fine.

Subcutaneous
i work with paedophiles, rapists and sex offenders- and my conclusion is there is a mental illness behind it


Done research on it, eh?
Paedophilia is a sexual preference just the same as homosexuality, and it like homosexuality has the same debate of nature v nurture. It just so happens that our current construct of society does not view it to be acceptable at this present time as it is not fully understood, in exactly the same way as homosexuality has been viewed for thousands of years and is still to some extent today. Im not saying that paedophilia becoming legal is conceivable from present standpoint, but i expect a growing understanding and somewhat sympathy as we as a society gradually exit this current period of vindication.

If you disagree with this view, which i expect many of you to do, and wish to argue against it, please do so in a sensible and intelligent manner and i will be happy to discuss it, thank you.
sssdeol1
Peados are disgusting ***** that should have their knobs chopped off and forced down their throats. Then they should be lynched.


It is exactly this sort of vindication and misunderstanding that I am talking about in my above post, thanks for providing an exemplar.
Reply 25
CinderellaDontGo
No this is genuine. And why do you agree with the ''idiot''?


He's drawing the best comparison there is. Homosexuality, Hetrosexuality, and Paedophilia are quite similar in that they are all unconscious urges. None are inherently evil. They are just who they are. Just like someone homosexual can't be changed, neither can a Paedophile. It's a strange realisation when you realise the people on the other side of the fence are just like you.

I don't know what you're talking about with the Disney stuff. Chronic paedophiles ie those who actively pursue children already ARE given "doses" of child pornography... it's not a new idea. Animation's certainly a better one than that...
Perhaps the person OP was talking about liked looking at kids themself so was getting a bit defensive about it, all paedos started with a clean criminal record like everyone else. How anyone can condone the actions of a paedophile, murderer or rapist is something I find absolutely obscene.
DaveParlour
Paedophilia is a sexual preference just the same as homosexuality, and it like homosexuality has the same debate of nature v nurture. It just so happens that our current construct of society does not view it to be acceptable at this present time as it is not fully understood, in exactly the same way as homosexuality has been viewed for thousands of years and is still to some extent today. Im not saying that paedophilia becoming legal is conceivable from present standpoint, but i expect a growing understanding and somewhat sympathy as we as a society gradually exit this current period of vindication.


Interesting

..Here's how I see it. Theres a key difference between homosexuality and peadophilia. And that is...

Homosexuals share love with eachother. So if one gay man wants to have sex with another then the feeling is mutual and thats fine. The 2 men are old enough to know what they want.

Whereas a peadophile might want to have sexual relations with a 6 year old. That 6 year old doesn't know or want sex with this man, yet the peadophile will often rape or watch childeren in sexual contact with other adults. Its completey different.

Everyone has urges, some are right, some are wrong. I have urges for woman, that doesn't make it wrong. If i had urges for young children then that would be wrong.
bigman_ben
Perhaps the person OP was talking about liked looking at kids themself so was getting a bit defensive about it, all paedos started with a clean criminal record like everyone else. How anyone can condone the actions of a paedophile, murderer or rapist is something I find absolutely obscene.


There is a big difference between a murderer and a paedophile, please do not group them together.
Reply 29
Diaz89
no criminals have a choice , the most common excuse gays give is that their feelings are natural and they were born that way, pedophiles can easily say the same thing.

Criminals can't say we were born criminals and get away with it yet gays do.


but some murderers says it's natural, some drug addicts say they were born to do it, etc..........i wasn't talking about your common mugger =P
The difference between homosexuals and paedophiles who have acted or would act on their desire is that one generally wants a healthy mutual relationship with a consenting adult and one wants to commit an act which by its nature is coercive and abusive, and they are willing to put their own desire above the well being of their victim.

But the person you spoke with obviously thinks homosexuality is wrong, so I guess they are coming from a completely different view where both homosexual and paedophilic acts are immoral but are controlled by a 'preference' of the individual. In that case they are comparable, but obviously I completely disagree that homosexuality is wrong so I think the comparison is ridiculous.
Reply 31
You're going to be lynched on this thread because a lot of the "big guns" of TSR and discussion threads hold the same view as your alleged enemy. For instance, DanGrover, Yuffie and a few others hold this position. You may say that this doesn't matter, but these people get more support, and hence you're probably going to go down.
DaveParlour
Paedophilia is a sexual preference just the same as homosexuality, and it like homosexuality has the same debate of nature v nurture. It just so happens that our current construct of society does not view it to be acceptable at this present time as it is not fully understood, in exactly the same way as homosexuality has been viewed for thousands of years and is still to some extent today. Im not saying that paedophilia becoming legal is conceivable from present standpoint, but i expect a growing understanding and somewhat sympathy as we as a society gradually exit this current period of vindication.


Earl Grey
I pretty much agree 100% with the guy you're calling an idiot.

I can't work out whether you're joking, serious, or trolling to start a big debate ... so well done for stumping me


Diaz89
no criminals have a choice , the most common excuse gays give is that their feelings are natural and they were born that way, pedophiles can easily say the same thing.

Criminals can't say we were born criminals and get away with it yet gays do.


Subcutaneous
you can't cure mental illnesses..

some paedophiles who've been asessed may not be mentally ill but a fair amount are, have their reasons such as delusions, hallucinations..whatever for what they do.

the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia is that there are underlying reasons for it, where as homosexuality is one of those things


DaveParlour
Paedophilia is a sexual preference just the same as homosexuality, and it like homosexuality has the same debate of nature v nurture. It just so happens that our current construct of society does not view it to be acceptable at this present time as it is not fully understood, in exactly the same way as homosexuality has been viewed for thousands of years and is still to some extent today. Im not saying that paedophilia becoming legal is conceivable from present standpoint, but i expect a growing understanding and somewhat sympathy as we as a society gradually exit this current period of vindication.

If you disagree with this view, which i expect many of you to do, and wish to argue against it, please do so in a sensible and intelligent manner and i will be happy to discuss it, thank you.


OH MY GOD I actually feel very disturbed by some of these comments. Have you all gone insane in the membrane. Homosexuals who act on their sexual urges are akin to heterosexuals who act on their sexual urges; paedophiles who act on their sexual urges do not even come into the equation, it is rape, there is a lack of consent; how can this difference be escaping people??
Reply 33
CinderellaDontGo


Me: Peadophilia is ******* disgusting and any peadophile found guilty deserves a life time in prison

Him: no, its not their fault, they can't help the urges they feel for young children. So its unfair to punish them for it

Me: no its not! murderers can't help but feel the urge to kill people. And they're punsihed

Him: Thats different

Me: how is it?

Him: Murderers usually have mental health problems

Me: Yes like peadophiles

Him: no, you wouldn't say a homosexual had mental problems would you?

Me: erm... What?

Him: Well being a peadophile is like being gay, its wrong but they can't help the urges they get for people of the same sex, in the same way peadophiles can't help being attracted to young children.

Me: .........What the ****! thats completley different. Homosexuals have realationships and make love with other homosexuals who are old enough, and the love is mutual. Whereas peadophiles often rape and manipulate young children who are too young for sexual activity.

Him: yeah well... Peadophiles still can't help it, they could at least make animated child porn, that way nobodys being harmed and peadophiles can get what they want.




i reckon you were talking with rubix a guy on this form that actually started a thread up about child porn and it should be animated to satify peadophiles, like he was mental like but it sounds like the guy you were talking about
DaveParlour
There is a big difference between a murderer and a paedophile, please do not group them together.


Besides that they make other people's lives miserable until the day they die? The fact that they are absolutely despicable human beings who deserve no place in society after messing up their chance because they have no self control?
Reply 35
CinderellaDontGo
Interesting

..Here's how I see it. Theres a key difference between homosexuality and peadophilia. And that is...

Homosexuals share love with eachother. So if one gay man wants to have sex with another then the feeling is mutual and thats fine. The 2 men are old enough to know what they want.

Whereas a peadophile might want to have sexual relations with a 6 year old. That 6 year old doesn't know or want sex with this man, yet the peadophile will often rape or watch childeren in sexual contact with other adults. Its completey different.

Everyone has urges, some are right, some are wrong. I have urges for woman, that doesn't make it wrong. If i had urges for young children then that would be wrong.



What you have to understand is that most paedophiles as much as they would like to, have no intention of using children to act on their urges. I agree that paedophilia is like homosexuality, it is also like heterosexuality in that nobody chooses who they find attractive. Most people, whether they're a paedophile, a homosexual or a heterosexual will not force themselves on someone they find attractive.
Reply 36
never_ending
OH MY GOD I actually feel very disturbed by some of these comments. Have you all gone insane in the membrane. Homosexuals who act on their sexual urges are akin to heterosexuals who act on their sexual urges; paedophiles who act on their sexual urges do not even come into the equation, it is rape, there is a lack of consent; how can this difference be escaping people??


Most of us are just talking about the URGES. That's the classification of a paedophile.

"As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children"
Reply 37
never_ending
OH MY GOD I actually feel very disturbed by some of these comments. Have you all gone insane in the membrane. Homosexuals who act on their sexual urges are akin to heterosexuals who act on their sexual urges; paedophiles who act on their sexual urges do not even come into the equation, it is rape, there is a lack of consent; how can this difference be escaping people??


i wasn't referring to the act, i was referring to their mentality and logic.
Reply 38
CinderellaDontGo
Interesting

..Here's how I see it. Theres a key difference between homosexuality and peadophilia. And that is...

Homosexuals share love with eachother. So if one gay man wants to have sex with another then the feeling is mutual and thats fine. The 2 men are old enough to know what they want.

Whereas a peadophile might want to have sexual relations with a 6 year old. That 6 year old doesn't know or want sex with this man, yet the peadophile will often rape or watch childeren in sexual contact with other adults. Its completey different.

Everyone has urges, some are right, some are wrong. I have urges for woman, that doesn't make it wrong. If i had urges for young children then that would be wrong.

You need to understand the difference between beeing a pedophile and pedosexuality. Beeing a pedophile is not something you choose, and it's not any more immoral or wrong that beeing a homophile. You won't say that a disabled person is mean, beacuse he is costing the society a lot of money. Similiar case here. You can't punish people for who they are.

However, pedosexuality is wrong, which is acting on your urges, while homosexuality is not wrong. That's because a child can't consent, and may regret the relationship afterwards. Also, children can easially be abused. However, believe it or not. Some children do like adults, but they still can't consent and it's wrong. Homosexuality is okay, because both are adults who can consent and take responsibility of their actions.
Reply 39
bigman_ben
How anyone can condone the actions of a paedophile, murderer or rapist is something I find absolutely obscene.


The actions aren't what's being condoned.

Having urges after anything is fine, so long as you keep them in check.

I agree that drawn/animated porn is a good idea for any sexual preference that could cause physical or mental harm to those involved. It's not hurting anyone.

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