Christian terrorism: Doctor assassinated in church

The video recordings of the four men who carried out the 7/7 attacks on central London clearly demonstrate that they were motivated by religion. For example, Mohammad Sidique Khan referred to the Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan as 'my people', he claimed that he was in a 'jihad' and that he was going to be rewarded in the 'afterlife'.

It's not terrorism, it wasn't even a murder - they were simply preventing that filth from killing more babies.

Technically the doctor was a Christian also... He was attending church when he got shot remember

That doesn't mean he was motivated by religion. Like I said, that seems very political.
He thought that it was unfair that the Iraqis and Afghans were having war waged upon them, and wanted to send a message to the UK government.
"Jihad" isn't some special Muslim word. It just means "trying very hard to achieve something". It is not a religious word, in the same way that "God" or "Holy" or "Angel" are specifically religious words.
He thought that he was doing a good deed.

It's not like Islam/the Qur'an was actually telling him "Yeah, go and blow up those trains"

The Qur'an states in quite explicit terms that murder is prohibited.
How else can you 'interpret' that?

Which religion are you talking about, exactly? It's certainly not Islam...

P.S. I love you, Howard. That post was just... Beautiful.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The irony is that any sense of morality and goodness is thrown out of the window in the process.

The fact that he referred to Iraqis and Afghanistani people as 'my people' makes it clear that his religion played a central role in motivating him. What other connection did Khan have to Iraqis or Afghanistanis? He didn't have any familial or ethnic connections - merely religious.

I don't think this guy was a terrorist or a freedom fighter. He was just a nut.

Only 1% of abortions are carried out because of rape and incest, so the notion that abortion, especially late term, should be allowed because of this is laughable; it is saving 1 life and the expense of 100.

If someone was going around murdering people, and legally sanctioned and walking free, and he would probably murder many, many more people before he was brought to justice, I think many people would be somewhat willing to murder him in turn in vigilante justice.

Of course, this might not be entirely comparable, because whether or not Tiller was actually murdering is contentious. (Though it is what the shooter believed.)

Of course he has religious ties with them - but that doesn't mean the religion is motivating him. It doesn't mean that he thinks the Qur'an is asking him to blow up trains. It just means that he doesn't like the fact that they are being attacked.

No it isn't. It doesn't say anything about his motivation, it just tells us that he believed what he was doing was right. (And as a result, he believes he will be rewarded for it). Once again, it doesn't mean that he thinks the Qur'an itself has asked him to blow up trains. It just means that he thinks it's the right thing to do.

I think you'll find that the disagreements in the Muslim world are never regarding something which is explicitly stated in the Qur'an.
For example, if anyone tells you that it is permissible to eat pork in Islam, they are wrong. No alternative interpretations, no subjectivity - they are wrong.
There may be other disagreements - for example, who was the rightful leader of the Muslim community after Muhammad died? Nothing about this is mentioned in the Qur'an.

By what authority do they claim that the death penalty is mandatory? By what authority do they overrule the Qur'an, which prescribes a completely different punishment, and requires four witnesses before any punishment can be administered?

If they can back up their opinions with something from the Qur'an or Hadith, that's fine - but it may prove to be a difficult job.

This guy confesses on tape to have 'aborted' a child a day before it's due date. This entire clinic 'specialises' in aborting pregnancies over 24 weeks.



This one is even smiling



Can someone please try to intelligently argue how this would not be murder? The law is damn wrong, so wrong on this.

People kill and get killed for nothing. That's where the real insanity lies. To a group of Pro-Lifers, late-term abortion is active murder of babies and it's hard to convince most people otherwise. I don't think you can safely accuse this guy of being a nut.

There is a saying the fastest way to Hell is by through trying to do good and this example personifies that. It was a vengeance attack. And although we can all tag vengeance murders as wrong, anyone can find themselves in that position. Everyone has a breaking point. He just followed up on his

I don't see his murder as any different to the murders he carried out every single day at his clinic, I mean he specialised in late term abortions for goodness sake. I don't think his murder was right none the less.

This guy confesses on tape to have 'aborted' a child a day before it's due date. This entire clinic 'specialises' in aborting pregnancies over 24 weeks.

This one is even smiling

Can someone please try to intelligently argue how this would not be murder? The law is damn wrong, so wrong on this.

Can someone please try to intelligently argue how this would not be murder? The law is damn wrong, so wrong on this.