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Ive spent about £300 of my student monies going to Anfield this season :biggrin: Thats alot of nights out not gone on to watch Liverpool draw again and again.

Last time I saw Liverpool win at Anfield was the 6-1 spanking of Hull. Ive been about 7 times since then. Hasnt this season sucked? Still. In Rafa We Trust. Yanks Out. YNWA.
Barça
Aquilani is a very talented player, which makes one think why other clubs never showed serious interest. It's quite obvious that no matter how talented you are if you spend more time on the sidelines than on the pitch it's almost pointless. Rafa really is useless in the transfer market, imagine him in control of Madrid's warchest :teehee:


imagine indeed, what a rofl.

It's comparable to Hargreaves at United. Really frustrating not seeing Hargreaves play and contribute to the cause. Tbh I've pretty much lost all hope with him making an adequate recovery. Such a shame, given his ability.

Benitez's time is surely coming to an end. If Liverpool had the financial resources of City, for instance, they'd have got rid of Benitez by now and been able to pay him off. This is the only reason he remains as Liverpool boss. There's only so much dining off previous success you can do before your employers say "enough is enough".
white_haired_wizard
There's only so much dining off previous success you can do before your employers say "enough is enough".


I'd imagine winning the CL in 2006 will give him additional time without having won the league. Not sure how much time though but most Reds I know are pretty patient supporters.
NDGAARONDI
I'd imagine winning the CL in 2006 will give him additional time without having won the league. Not sure how much time though but most Reds I know are pretty patient supporters.


CL in 2005, FA in 2006, CL final in 2007, 2nd in the league in 2009.
Tbf, Rafa hasn't done too bad considering the current competition, he's just been a victim of his poor transfers. For every Torres and Alonso, there's a a Keane and a Johnson.
Looking at your sig Tone, I do wonder where the :snow::snow::snow::snow: El Stevo got to...

Probably died from apple toxicity after eating all those crumbles.
RobbieC
Looking at your sig Tone, I do wonder where the :snow::snow::snow::snow: El Stevo got to...

Probably died from apple toxicity after eating all those crumbles.

Nothing beats Phil Thompson's big 3 rubbish :teehee:
T.Adams VI
Tbf, Rafa hasn't done too bad considering the current competition, he's just been a victim of his poor transfers. For every Torres and Alonso, there's a a Keane and a Johnson.


Bit harsh to call Johnson a fail already?
He's good at attacking, been poor defensively lately. We over paid a little bit, seeing as he's English + had just signed a contract extension but I think he could become an integral part of our play once we pick up.
sarforaz
CL in 2005, FA in 2006, CL final in 2007, 2nd in the league in 2009.


Depends if you count as being runners-up as a 'success'. You won't find too many people who will use successful in the same sentence with Avram Grant when he was at Chelsea, even if he surpassed Mourinho's progress in the CL.

It's like Wenger at Arsenal, because of his previous achievements, he is bing allowed more time to get things back to winning ways. The problem with previous achievements is how much do you acknowledge success? Assuming he wins no silverware for four more years, will supporters tolerate it if he cites his 2005 CL triumph to mitigate no recent success? There's only so many trophies to go round each year.
sarforaz
Bit harsh to call Johnson a fail already?
He's good at attacking, been poor defensively lately. We over paid a little bit, seeing as he's English + had just signed a contract extension but I think he could become an integral part of our play once we pick up.

He's not a fail, he's insanely overpriced, and he's a fullback. You don't spend £19m on a fullback unless your City/Chelsea/Madrid. Added to the fact Johnson can't defend... It's like Arsenal signing Sagna for £19m, he's a very very good player, but at £19m, especially for a fullback, it would represent a very poor deal. £6m for Sagna maybe cheap, probably ~£9m reflected his true value at the time.

I'm sick and tired of people saying the contract extension is the reason his price is bumped up. You do realise, clubs value there players differently? So unless there is a mutual agreement which suits both parties, the deal shouldn't go ahead. It's the reasons so many deals never reach fruition, especially after a new contract has been signed. It's like when we sign Arshavin for ~£12m, had Zenit asked for £30m+, Wenger would have said "no, we have a different valuation of him", and looked for another player. Johnson was not the only decent RB around at the time. if you think contrary, you've obviously been blinded by English hype.
T.Adams VI
He's not a fail, he's insanely overpriced, and he's a fullback. You don't spend £19m on a fullback unless your City/Chelsea/Madrid. Added to the fact Johnson can't defend... It's like Arsenal signing Sagna for £19m, he's a very very good player, but at £19m, especially for a fullback, it would represent a very poor deal. £6m for Sagna maybe cheap, probably ~£9m reflected his true value at the time.

I'm sick and tired of people saying the contract extension is the reason his price is bumped up. You do realise, clubs value there players differently? So unless there is a mutual agreement which suits both parties, the deal shouldn't go ahead. It's the reasons so many deals never reach fruition, especially after a new contract has been signed. It's like when we sign Arshavin for ~£12m, had Zenit asked for £30m+, Wenger would have said "no, we have a different valuation of him", and looked for another player. Johnson was not the only decent RB around at the time. if you think contrary, you've obviously been blinded by English hype.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8102625.stm
From the article:

"It was down to the player whether he chose us or City or Chelsea and he chose us," Benitez told the Liverpool website. "It was very clear from talking to him that he wanted to play for Liverpool.

We were competing with 2 of the 3 rich clubs you mentioned, which inflated the price.

Sagna was always going to be cheaper since he was taken out of the French league, if you buy players from the same league, they're always more expensive. Why do you think Adebayor/Toure/Lescott were so expensive for City to buy?

Sagna was 9mil rising to 11mil euros, and it seems relatively cheap just because the pound was strong then. Tbh buying players from abroad now is going to be harder.

On top of that, Johnson was a mere £17.5mil not the £19mil you're quoting :p:

Arshavin's contract was ending soon but he was in such high demand, being linked to every club from Barca to Spurs and everywhere in between that they were able to negotiate a higher price.
Of course contracts play a role, if a player is tied down long term, the club is in a stronger bargaining power, hence can command a greater fee.

Defenders just notoriously command lesser fees compared to strikers etc, perhaps more supply of options? Or there is less between good and great defenders? Who knows but I'll agree we did pay a lot! You still get the Alves, Ferdinands, Bosingwa etc.
Think we paid like 5mil too much!

Tbh I cant think of many RBs to buy, even now?
I will however question Benitez about his marbles and location of, if he purchases Emile Heskey.
sarforaz
I will however question Benitez about his marbles and location of, if he purchases Emile Heskey.


Indeed, Heskey can barely score in a 4-4-2 so I can't see how he could help Liverpool, esp with the system Benitez currently prefers. It wouldn't help N'Gog either, the only thing he could learn from Heskey is workrate.....


Rafa was asked would he resign if Liverpool failed to make the top four, he sidestepped the question, so that means no.
Kevmeister
Indeed, Heskey can barely score in a 4-4-2 so I can't see how he could help Liverpool, esp with the system Benitez currently prefers. It wouldn't help N'Gog either, the only thing he could learn from Heskey is workrate.....


Rafa was asked would he resign if Liverpool failed to make the top four, he sidestepped the question, so that means no.


£4mil a year, would you walk away? :p:

Heskey would add nothing to the side, its like carrying a passenger for the entire game.
sarforaz
£4mil a year, would you walk away? :p:

Heskey would add nothing to the side, its like carrying a passenger for the entire game.


Yes, £5m plus bonuses is my minimum. :p:


He could head the ball down for Gerrard, who won't take a shot.... but yes, agreed.
Liverpool should take chance to cash in on Steven Gerrard

It is all very well, in discussing Liverpool’s woes, to invoke the spirit of Shankly. But how do you define it? You can make a start by listening to 73 minutes and 30 seconds of the great man giving his thoughts to John Roberts, the journalist with whom he collaborated on his autobiography two years after retiring as manager in 1974.

Order the CD — The Amazing Bill Shankly — for £9.99 and I doubt that you will find a better distillation of the spirit that was to make Anfield a fortress than this, delivered in Shankly’s machine-gun Ayrshire tones:

“Now I want one thing. I want loyalty. I don’t want anybody to be carrying stories about anybody else. If somebody comes to me with a story — I warn you about this — whoever you’re telling it about won’t be the one who goes. It’ll be you.

“You’ll go — out! I don’t care if you’ve been here 15 year [sic]. I want everybody to be loyal to each other. And to do everything you do for Liverpool Football Club. And we’ll all get together. And that will make strength . . . And maybe one day we’ll get players as well!”

The last bit may or may not have been a joke (as in “people say football’s more important than life and death . . .&#8221:wink: but everything else was as clear and inspiring as on the day he had addressed the staff and players of a run-down Liverpool in 1959.

This was how Shankly persuaded players with big egos such as Emlyn Hughes and Kevin Keegan to muck in with more modest souls such as Ian Callaghan, Ron Yeats and Chris Lawler and produce the institution that his erstwhile assistant and successor, Bob Paisley, developed into the most successful in Europe.

On Saturday morning I listened to Shankly and on Saturday night I heard Rafael Benítez, who has the job Shankly took half a century ago, respond to the 2-0 defeat away to Portsmouth with this gobbet of cheap sarcasm: “The referee was perfect.” Liverpool have become the opposite of Shankly’s raw material. They have got some players all right — some of the world’s best in their positions, in the cases of Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard and arguably Javier Mascherano and Pepe Reina — but a fading spirit.

To envisage their qualifying for next season’s Champions League now is difficult and, although the time has come for change, the obvious course of replacing Benítez as manager should be neglected, at least for the time being, in favour of imagining what a successor to him could be offered. The cupboard is bare. There is only what lies on the table. Or lies eighth in the table , a point above Fulham, who have a match in hand.

This is because the strategy of surrounding Gerrard with players he respects is failing and the Benítez regime is going down with it.

Because the American owners’ priority is repaying loans, there is little money for more new players to provide for either Benítez or a new manager. It must be raised through sales and here Liverpool are fortunate, for the unthinkable is becoming the inevitable. Gerrard will turn 30 in May. He is approaching his sell-by date and, if Liverpool are truly to face at least 18 months out of the Champions League with no plausible prospect of a return after that, he will probably be among the first to admit it.

Already Mascherano wants to go; talk of Barcelona has turned his head. No one, surely, would blame Torres for wanting to stay at the top level. And in these circumstances Gerrard, too, could leave with no hard feelings on either side, which would not have been the case when he almost joined José Mourinho’s Chelsea.

These three players might raise more than £100 million if sold at a time of Liverpool’s choosing and even today you can build a competitive squad for that. So long as you have a manager who can build a spirit; Aston Villa and Fulham, among others, have proved it.

The argument for keeping Gerrard is fiercely emotional. He has a great talent and a genuine love of the club and, when you think of deeds on which Roy Of The Rovers might have been modelled — the late goals against Olympiacos and West Ham United in the FA Cup Final, the start of the fightback to win the 2005 Champions League final against Milan (even, if to listen so some accounts of his heroism that night you might think he had also scored the goals ascribed to Xabi Alonso and Vladimir Smicer, made Jamie Carragher’s vital tackle on Andriy Shevchenko and deputised for Jerzy Dudek during the penalty shoot-out) — the notion of his wearing another shirt is hard to countenance.

But Liverpool can no longer afford such a captain. They can no longer afford a prima donna whose unquestioned brilliance increasingly seems to embarrass and constrain some of those around him.

Shankly would remember Johnny Haynes. He was one of the greatest English midfield players and he spent his entire career with Fulham. He was a better passer than Gerrard and, though nowhere near as quick, scored as many goals.

Yet in all the time he was with Fulham they never had a side as good as today’s because at Fulham today there is something — just something — of the spirit of Shankly.

How many times do we say it? The future lies in the past.

Debate: Should Liverpool sell Steven Gerrard?


Hmm...
sarforaz


Oi! I posted it in the Euro thread two mins before it was in the Arsenal one. :mad:

Ye should try, definitely.

As for selling Gerrard, I think thats a non-starter, tbh.
Kevmeister
Oi! I posted it in the Euro thread two mins before it was in the Arsenal one. :mad:

Ye should try, definitely.

As for selling Gerrard, I think thats a non-starter, tbh.


Oh lol, just saw that post.

Tbh the problem with trying to get Pandev will be that he'll be high in demand, so you're probably looking at an expensive sign on fee + will want high wages, and we cant even offer CL football for the rest of this season :frown:

RVN, Pandev, Heskey, Luca Toni, Pavlyuchenko

You'd imagine we'll get a striker since we've only been linked to strikers :p:
Kevmeister
As for selling Gerrard, I think thats a non-starter, tbh.


Tbh I think if he remains committed, he could easily play to 33-34 at the top level. Maybe even slightly longer.

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