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Not being a book reader, what's all the hubbub about in regards to the Jaime Cersei scene? The fact that it was a rape scene on TV?

Original post by Olie

No, by the looks of things because it wasn't rape in the book. I haven't read the books (yet!) but I watching that scene, I did wonder 'Did this really happen in the book :s-smilie:

', so would be interested to see what the reasoning for showing it as rape in the show was.

But nevertheless, I really enjoyed this episode, great to actually see Tommen Baratheon make a proper appearance (even if he does appear a bit bland at this point), I like how you can never tell how things are going to develop as the story progresses and I'm wondering where each one of the Stark kids are going to end up by the end of the season, and fantastic Valyrian speech by Daenerys as well :biggrin:

I posted the actual passage in the second spoiler in my post above.

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MagicNMedicine

Original post by awe

Am I over-reacting? I'm not saying I would put it past Jaime, I just think it really takes away something about their dynamic that was from the books and should have been followed. This isn't just a little change for them, it's huge. It simply wasn't needed.

I agree I think it has spoiled the dynamic between them.

The book dynamic was basically that once he had come back things weren't the same and there is that kind of tension between them, but that's not the same as being raped, that is going to make a mortal enemy out of the rapist.

Cersei is a vengeful and powerful woman and the logical conclusion of this twist to the storyline is that Jaime will suffer some kind of violent comeuppance at the hands of Cersei, because realistically is Cersei the type to take that without vengeance?

Violent aggressive sex whilst there was clear tension in the air between them would have worked, with them ****ing each others brains out in anger but not a situation which is all about his power over her, it just changes it too much.

I get irritated by deviations from the book plot but can handle ones that bring a new and interesting plotline like Arya being Tywin's cup bearer and so on but Jaime raping Cersei....gtfo.

I wonder whether this was done just to try and create controversy to boost the ratings, in which case I think its a bit sick tbh. At the end of the day Game of Thrones is an entertainment show. I know its a fictional story and there are murders and all sorts of crimes in it but there's an element of suspending belief when it comes to seeing people in a fantasy land with dragons in getting murdered in gory ways....but showing a realistic scene of a man forcing himself on a woman is a bit close to home and disturbing for people that watch it that may have been victims of sexual violence. Yes there are rapes in the books but you can easily suggest to viewers that rape has happened without actually showing the scene. To put a full rape scene in that isn't in the book into an entertainment show is basically violent porn.

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Reply 5042

awe

For those who are disappointed in the controversial scene - GRRM says he had nothing to do with it, he didn't talk to D&D about it. =/ Somehow I find that a little hard to believe. But I appreciate that his post about the scene does acknowledge, in between words, that it was ****.
http://winteriscoming.net/2014/04/21/george-r-r-martin-responds-fans-concern-breaker-chains/

Original post by MagicNMedicine

I agree I think it has spoiled the dynamic between them...
I wonder whether this was done just to try and create controversy to boost the ratings, in which case I think its a bit sick tbh. At the end of the day Game of Thrones is an entertainment show. I know its a fictional story and there are murders and all sorts of crimes in it but there's an element of suspending belief when it comes to seeing people in a fantasy land with dragons in getting murdered in gory ways....but showing a realistic scene of a man forcing himself on a woman is a bit close to home and disturbing for people that watch it that may have been victims of sexual violence. Yes there are rapes in the books but you can easily suggest to viewers that rape has happened without actually showing the scene. To put a full rape scene in that isn't in the book into an entertainment show is basically violent porn.

Yes, I agree absolutely with all of this. As you say - rough tense aggressive sex, fab. What happened... just so unnecessary. I don't know many sensible people who understand why it was required. I don't think it can have been to boost ratings to be honest - unfortunately one of my close friends was really harrowed by it, as she does need some trigger warning for such things, and to have something she knows (as a book reader herself) be twisted and warped like that gave her more of a panic than she desired/expected. It breaks a fan's trust. I know it's unrealistic to 'ask' for trigger warnings, but it does just show what a strange, unnatural turn they chose to have the characters take. ):

I don't know if anyone here/if you are a Buffy fan, but there was a scene in Buffy during which Spike tried to force himself onto Buffy. It was horrific, it was absolutely shocking, and no fan of Spike would have seen him in the same way again. It absolutely changed the character - but he stopped, and it was done naturally, with acknowledgement to why he 'turned' to that. I can't help comparing the consideration the btvs producers put to that episode, and all of those after it in which Buffy recovered and Spike repented, with the lack of ****s given for Cersei and Jaime. I think D&D - and Alex Graves - will have a few more answers to give over the next week. I'm certain they'll regret this, anyhow.

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Mister Cery

i dont see what the big deal is.. if the showrunners want to take Jaimes character a certain way then thats their prerogative.. in fact i prefer when they change things because it would be a bit boring to always know whats going to happen next

also i believe that scene was from Jaimes perspective in the book so it could be that his relaying of events are unreliable

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lizzy95

I'm a big GoT fan and over the past few seasons Jaime went from being one of my least favourite characters to one I really enjoyed routing for. I haven't read the books but based on GRRM's comments on the episode the show may be setting Jaime on a different path than the one he's undergoing in the books. I really enjoy this series and hope the producers have really thought out what they plan to do with Jaime because his character seems very up in the air now.

Aside from that I'm really excited about Littlefinger being reintroduced into the story he's managed to up the ante with his creepiness and we may well see a different Sansa under his influence which could be interesting.

Am I the only one looking forward to seeing Bran in the next episode? I find his story really fascinating

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username931319

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I am really struggling with the series now. The blatant changes and non-canon relating to the books is just making you miss out on a lot of story and interesting characters. Strong Belwas? Why? Why. Can show a rape scene (which didn't happen in the book) but not a fat bloke kill someone then ****.

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Cheese_Monster

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SciFiRory

good episode, not as good as the purple wedding though I don't think.

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Scienceisgood

Second best episode so far. =D

Loved everything about it, although, I thought The Hound had changed and didn't think he would kill the old guy. D=

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Robbie242

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Jaegon Targaryen

The Purple wedding was written by GRRM , most episodes are by D and D .

Les be honest , you can't expect every episode to be as great as that because otherwise the show would be over in 3 episodes .

I thought the episode was awesome , Dany's part was probably my favourite.

Reply 5051

ImGlad2

Is it just me or is Dany a little bit too great white hope-y

Don't get me wrong, I love her character and the message she brings but it is kind off that everything seems to go her way and isn't in keeping with the rest of the show

Like she walks into a city and frees all these slaves all like cos I have dragons *yawn*

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Mister Cery

I agree. I find her and Brans scenes pretty boring.. i think that unlike the other characters Dany isn't really progressing much, she so far away from the rest of the action and its getting a bit repetitive.. especially her need to do an annoying speech every episode

Even in the books I found that the chapters from her perspective began to become a bit tiresome
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miser

Just watched this week's ep. Another strong one I thought! In fact I think it's my favourite of this series so far.

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yodawg321

All episodes even if there are no MAJOR things happening are so perfect. Props to HBO and the GoT team.

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Robbie242

Original post by zhodges

Emilia, nom nom a-nom.

More like hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

(especially season 1 :perv:

)

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awe

This is pretty brilliant, thought I would share. It's not new but still as funny as it was when first seen.

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MagicNMedicine

Original post by Robbie242

Khalessi....

IMO Jorah Mormont doesn't seem the kind of guy that would get friendzoned really.

The friendzone types on GOT are Sam (who would just get friendzoned and accept it and then hang round the girl anyway), Littlefinger (who would be the type that went in to friendzone rage and got bitter and vindictive towards the girl) or Theon (who would get rejected then come on TSR and make 40 threads complaining about friendzone and feminism and why women don't know what they want).

Jorah Mormont is a rugged knight, bit of a bad boy history, good in a fight, got that older male thing going on. As if he would be friendzoned, all the women would be like OMG YES.

He should try that chat up line from Dragonborn on here

No storm is forecast Khaleesi, but you may be getting wet tonight :sexface: